How should embryonic stem cell research be funded?

[1_of_a_kind]

i wish insurance would approve stem cell injections. i have been doing research on stem cells injections and i found a doctor in Cali that works with another doctor in Mexico that does the stem cell injections and costs around $7,000 a treatment.

my daughter has cerebral palsy and i would love to get the treatments for her but cant afford them.

the injections for her treatment would be replacing the dead stem cells in the Brian with new ones. its not guaranteed to work but i will try anything for my daughter.

a student in her class had got these treatments and before he did, he was worse then my daughter, he couldn't see, talk, move, hold his head up, nothing, and if you see him now, he talks crawls, sees, he is very smart and every time i see him i feel like crying.

He is the reason why i would try these treatments for my daughter.

[1_of_a_kind]

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[Caramel]

I don't know, I read this and my heart goes out to you and your daughter and I hope something comes through for you. I don't know much about this subject to give a vote on the subject though. For your sake, I hope it goes your way though.

[1_of_a_kind]

Thanks hun^^

[caz]

Its a very tough subject, and many who put faith before understanding the lives of these families say they shouldn't be funded. I think its a very important cause, and just as they do funding for aids or cancer, this is a very crucial subject as well. I hope and pray, that there are more improvements in the future. For your family and others out there.

[ojeen1981]

i wish insurance would approve stem cell injections. i have been doing research on stem cells injections and i found a doctor in Cali that works with another doctor in Mexico that does the stem cell injections and costs around $7,000 a treatment.

my daughter has cerebral palsy and i would love to get the treatments for her but cant afford them.

the injections for her treatment would be replacing the dead stem cells in the Brian with new ones. its not guaranteed to work but i will try anything for my daughter.

a student in her class had got these treatments and before he did, he was worse then my daughter, he couldn't see, talk, move, hold his head up, nothing, and if you see him now, he talks crawls, sees, he is very smart and every time i see him i feel like crying.

He is the reason why i would try these treatments for my daughter.
i am so sorry to hear this; just out of curiosity though, have u gone back and checked on all the procedures that were done during her delivery?

[Mr. Brownstone]

It’s unfortunate we have a president who puts his faith above reason. I am no fan of the Republican Party, but at least the California governor gets it by pushing further funding for this research.

[halfchaldo]

I understand your pain, my first cousin on my mom's side had cerebral palsy...my heart goes out to you and your family.

[ojeen1981]

It’s unfortunate we have a president who puts his faith above reason. I am no fan of the Republican Party, but at least the California governor gets it by pushing further funding for this research.


its unfortuante we have this president. I dont think its about him putting "faith" above reason, as if implying that Bush is a faithful Christian (which he is not) or that faith in and of itself is iirreconcirable with reason. I think it has to do more with capital gain.

[John_5_24]

i wish insurance would approve stem cell injections. i have been doing research on stem cells injections and i found a doctor in Cali that works with another doctor in Mexico that does the stem cell injections and costs around $7,000 a treatment.

my daughter has cerebral palsy and i would love to get the treatments for her but cant afford them.

the injections for her treatment would be replacing the dead stem cells in the Brian with new ones. its not guaranteed to work but i will try anything for my daughter.

a student in her class had got these treatments and before he did, he was worse then my daughter, he couldn't see, talk, move, hold his head up, nothing, and if you see him now, he talks crawls, sees, he is very smart and every time i see him i feel like crying.

He is the reason why i would try these treatments for my daughter.1_of_kind, first, let me first say how sorry I am for your situation.

That said, embryonic stem cell research is nothing more than the murder of human life for the sake of other humans. Embryonic stem cells require a donor, as the name suggests, "an embryo". An embryo is human life. While I am sorry for your situation, I do not support in any way, the destruction of life for the sake of others. Where is the line?

Adult stem cells have been shown again and again to be AS promising and HAVE ACTUALLY produced results. "Adult" stem cells do not require the destruction of life, and I fully support this type of research and application.

[caz]

1_of_kind, first, let me first say how sorry I am for your situation.

That said, embryonic stem cell research is nothing more than
the murder of human life for the sake of other humans. Embryonic stem cells require a donor, as the name suggests, "an embryo". An embryo is human life. While I am sorry for your situation, I do not support in any way, the destruction of life for the sake of others. Where is the line?

Adult stem cells have been shown again and again to be AS promising and HAVE ACTUALLY produced results. "Adult" stem cells do not require the destruction of life, and I fully support this type of research and application.



I honestly don't know much on this subject,but from what i know it doesn't always mean the death of someone. It has been proven that when a baby is born, the placenta that is in the mother has so much stem cell that can be used. By just having the mother donate some of her placenta they are able to receive a lot of stem cells from it. I only remember this because, i went to a biology class with my cousin lol cause i was on break. And the teacher had said that she allowed the doc to take cells from her placenta and freeze them in case her son had to face a critical need. She froze them for future case and when she didn't need them. She gave them away as a donation.

[John_5_24]

I honestly don't know much on this subject,but from what i know it doesn't always mean the death of someone. It has been proven that when a baby is born, the placenta that is in the mother has so much stem cell that can be used. By just having the mother donate some of her placenta they are able to receive a lot of stem cells from it. I only remember this because, i went to a biology class with my cousin lol cause i was on break. And the teacher had said that she allowed the doc to take cells from her placenta and freeze them in case her son had to face a critical need. She froze them for future case and when she didn't need them. She gave them away as a donation.Caz, what you have described isn't embryonic stem cell research. I don't have any issue with harvesting cord blood or the placenta. My wife and I actually saved the cord blood for 3 of our children in case it should ever be needed in the future. This didn't cause ANY harm to our children.

Embryonic stem cell research results in the death of the embryo, or the embryo being manipulated to the point that it would never continue to grow.

[ojeen1981]

Caz, what you have described isn't embryonic stem cell research. I don't have any issue with harvesting cord blood or the placenta. My wife and I actually saved the cord blood for 3 of our children in case it should ever be needed in the future. This didn't cause ANY harm to our children.

Embryonic stem cell research results in the death of the embryo, or the embryo being manipulated to the point that it would never continue to grow.

the inequities of embryonic stem cell research has a great chance of being fixed and updated if government funding were actually spent on it. Instead of Bush wasting and putting all the money on an injustice war. The point of advocating for government funding is so that money can actually be used to further enhance and progress the process of stem cell research.

[caz]

Caz, what you have described isn't embryonic stem cell research. I don't have any issue with harvesting cord blood or the placenta. My wife and I actually saved the cord blood for 3 of our children in case it should ever be needed in the future. This didn't cause ANY harm to our children.

Embryonic stem cell research results in the death of the embryo, or the embryo being manipulated to the point that it would never continue to grow.

As i said i dont know much, but she had said there was stem cells in it. So i guess she may have been referring to something else who knows.

[John_5_24]

As i said i dont know much, but she had said there was stem cells in it. So i guess she may have been referring to something else who knows.
No, you are correct. There are different types of stem cells.

[John_5_24]

the inequities of embryonic stem cell research has a great chance of being fixed and updated if government funding were actually spent on it. Instead of Bush wasting and putting all the money on an injustice war. The point of advocating for government funding is so that money can actually be used to further enhance and progress the process of stem cell research.
Ojeen, first, don't relate this to the war. They are two seperate issues and should be maintained as such.

The argument against embryonic stem cell research is MORAL and not fiscal. Would you support the government actively funding and promoting abortions, or infanticide? That is akin to what you are calling for here.

[ojeen1981]

Ojeen, first, don't relate this to the war. They are two seperate issues and should be maintained as such.

The argument against embryonic stem cell research is MORAL and not fiscal. Would you support the government actively funding and promoting abortions, or infanticide? That is akin to what you are calling for here.

Okay, fair enough; I guess I should have elaborated on how war and stem cell research relate.
Capitalism is the economic system that most of the Western world’s engine works through. God, as the German philosopher Nietzsche prophesized, is certainly dead. Therefore, this question does not at all deal with morality or ethics, in fact, the duplicity of the Republican party’s approach to this issue covers up their real intentions. Bush is not against stem cell because he finds it “unethical”, god is dead in America; it is the thriving engine of capitalism that drives, motivates and dictates what government policies should be taken. Having said that, since Bush and his boys feel that a costly war in Iraq will benefit the capital engine of America ( a very imperialistic mindset), they would rather waste money on that than stem cell research (which they would see it as a non-profitable enterprise ).

The bottom line of my argument is that government policies are not at all motivated by religious moral and ethical standards, instead, they are highly provoked by the laws of capital gain.

please john dont bring up issues like abortion and the like, becuase all these guys running for president stand for or against "moral" issues not becuase they believe in it, but just to get your vote. this is politics.

[John_5_24]

Exactly, Ojeen. Bush may not be against stem cell research because he finds it morally repulsive, but he and the GOP KNOWS that I find it morally repugnant and will not vote for anyone who supports it.

As for embryonic stem cell research being akin to abortion, the link is direct. Abortion is the MURDER of one life because someone else selfishly decides their life and choice is more important. SAME THING with embryonic stem cell research. You have people, like you, who decide your life is more important than that of an embryo, and therefore are more than willing to destroy it.

I certainly hope you never find yourself face to face with any of my kids, you may decide that you can better your life by killing them too.

[ojeen1981]

Exactly, Ojeen. Bush may not be against stem cell research because he finds it morally repulsive, but he and the GOP KNOWS that I find it morally repugnant and will not vote for anyone who supports it.

As for embryonic stem cell research being akin to abortion, the link is direct. Abortion is the MURDER of one life because someone else selfishly decides their life and choice is more important. SAME THING with embryonic stem cell research. You have people, like you, who decide your life is more important than that of an embryo, and therefore are more than willing to destroy it.

I certainly hope you never find yourself face to face with any of my kids, you may decide that you can better your life by killing them too.

whahhoo..John, relax man.

i am not equating stem cell with abortion and it should not because they are different. My point does not even deal with the moral implications of stem cells.

All i was saying is this: stem cell research requires money, war requires money.

Bush and his boys would rather spend money on war than stem cell. Morals and ethics are subjective topics for me and u to talk about. In the over all picture, however, capitalism is what dictates government policies...not Christian morals or ethics. Because, if morals or ethics were in fact the foundation of Bush's policy, than neither the Iraq war nor stem cell research should take place.

I have not yet told u my personal opinion in regards to stem cells, all i was simply stating what factors influence government policies and i was trying to point out to u that (which i think u already know) Bush is against stem cell not for the same reasons u r . i hope u get what am trying to say


and so sorry 1 of a kind for turning away from the intention of this thread, this is my fault.

[John_5_24]

Ojeen,
My apologies if I get a little hot about this issue. I am ONLY concerned with the moral implications.

Let me say this, embryonic stem cell research is the MURDER of babies for the sake of research and the supposed betterment of life for others. I find no other discussion necessary around this issue. Those who want to discuss the "promise" this research holds, never will address the fact that literally millions of babies would be killed by fully funded research.

This isn't my idea of progress. The legalization of abortion has already caused the murder of over 30 MILLION Americans. This will do the same. It won't be long before some argue that testing on the mentally handicapped for the sake of those who aren't is acceptable as well.

[ojeen1981]

no need to apologize john

[1_of_a_kind]

I understand your pain, my first cousin on my mom's side had cerebral palsy...my heart goes out to you and your family.



thank you half, god bless you and your family.;)

[Mr. Brownstone]

Ojeen,
My apologies if I get a little hot about this issue. I am ONLY concerned with the moral implications.

Let me say this, embryonic stem cell research is the MURDER of babies for the sake of research and the supposed betterment of life for others. I find no other discussion necessary around this issue. Those who want to discuss the "promise" this research holds, never will address the fact that literally millions of babies would be killed by fully funded research.

This isn't my idea of progress. The legalization of abortion has already caused the murder of over 30 MILLION Americans. This will do the same. It won't be long before some argue that testing on the mentally handicapped for the sake of those who aren't is acceptable as well.


what is your defintion of a baby?

[John_5_24]

what is your defintion of a baby?
Life starts at conception.