Pork

[Caramel]

Lately I have been doing a lot of research on the safety of eating pork. I have never been big on it. I don't like to eat ham, pork chops, or bacon. I would have the occasional keilbasa and thats about it. Curiosity got to me one day soon after I first got my laptop. I just started looking up answers to questions I've always had about everything, and this subject became big with me. The more I read about it, the more I wanted to read. It started with - why don't muslims eat pork? And then - why don't Jews eat pork? Ok, so why is it ok for Christians? And THEN - why does ANYONE eat pork?! I don't know if anyone cares, or had questions like this before but here are some links if you want to read some of what I've read in the past few months.

Your thoughts, please...


http://www.answers2prayer.org/bible_questions/Answers/food/pork.html

http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/pork.html

http://www.abcog.org/food.htm

http://www.giveshare.org/Health/porkeatdanger.html

[Caramel]

http://www.giveshare.org/Health/health5.html

[Zraff]

ribs, pork chops are good

[Caramel]

I guess one of the things that really got to me is that pigs don't sweat. They don't have sweat glands. Therefore they do not release toxins....

[Caramel]

ribs, pork chops are good

enjoy!

[ojeen1981]

according to the mosaic laws, Jews were not allowed to eat pork because it was considered "unclean", because pigs r uro-genital animals, meaning that they give birth to their offspring via the same path that they defecate through. Islam adopted this philosophy unto their religion due to the inevitable influence of Judaism.

Jesus, in the Gospels, when he was confronted with this question by the Pharisees, said: it is not what u eat that make u "good or bad" but what comes out of your mouth that indicates what is in your heart". (i am paraphrasing of course).

Furthermore, Christ , in Christian theology, abnegated the Mosaic laws through his Death on the Cross, therefore, those who follow Christ do not need to abide by the Mosaic laws.

[Caramel]

according to the mosaic laws, Jews were not allowed to eat pork because it was considered "unclean", because pigs r uro-genital animals, meaning that they give birth to their offspring via the same path that they defecate through. Islam adopted this philosophy unto their religion due to the inevitable influence of Judaism.

Jesus, in the Gospels, when he was confronted with this question by the Pharisees, said: it is not what u eat that make u "good or bad" but what comes out of your mouth that indicates what is in your heart". (i am paraphrasing of course).

Furthermore, Christ , in Christian theology, abnegated the Mosaic laws through his Death on the Cross, therefore, those who follow Christ do not need to abide by the Mosaic laws.

For Jews and Muslims it is deemed unclean but I gather many different reasons for that, besides the ones you mentioned...

And the quote from Jesus has been interpreted many different ways...is that really what he meant?

I am desperately trying to find this info that I have read from non-religious sources to further support my concern.

[ojeen1981]

For Jews and Muslims it is deemed unclean but I gather many different reasons for that, besides the ones you mentioned...

And the quote from Jesus has been interpreted many different ways...is that really what he meant?

I am desperately trying to find this info that I have read from non-religious sources to further support my concern.


i dont get what u r saying? elaborate

[Caramel]

i dont get what u r saying? elaborate

First off, I don't know if Jesus meant 'it is now ok to eat pork' by saying what he said. I am very skeptical.


Here's something from the reading:

Peter's Dilemma
The apostle Peter once faced a dilemma on this matter of clean and unclean. Some ten years after the resurrection of Jesus he had a vision of "all kinds of quadrupeds. reptiles and birds" - dogs, cats, horses, frogs, alligators, snakes, spiders etc - being lowered before him in a huge sheet. A voice said "Rise, Peter, kill and eat". A shocking command. For as Peter makes clear:
"On no account, Lord, for I have never yet [this was, remember, ten years after the resurrection!] eaten anything unhallowed or unclean". (You can read the account in Acts 10.)
Peter knew the vision could not relate to food, so he was perplexed, but, as events unfolded, Peter came to understand the point of the vision: all men are equal in the eyes of God. Regarding salvation, there is neither Jew nor Gentile (vv.28-29). Peter was not to consider any man (Gk: anthropos) "unclean"! He did not say "any thing". In the vision God was telling him that salvation is open to all men. The vision had nothing to do with food!
To make these unclean foods suitable for mankind to eat, their - or man's - very anatomy and physiology would need restructuring. The digestive tracts of dogs and rats and pigs and oysters and crabs and vultures would have to be totally changed to properly process their flesh to be fit for human consumption. Yet all these unclean creatures are the same today as they were thousands years ago when the cleanness laws were written down! Where, in Scripture, has God 'cleansed' - indeed changed the very nature of - His long list of prohibited foods?
Holy Meat?
Indeed Paul told Timothy that in our day "some will fall away from the truth, giving heed to deceiving spirits and the teachings of demons" (I Timothy 4:1). That's a strong warning - and surely one we ought to investigate! What is he referring to? "They insist on abstinence from foods which God has created to be partaken of with thankfulness by those who believe and know the truth". Clearly some of the brethren were listening to a false teaching of avoiding certain foods which are acceptable in God's eyes for man to eat. But which? He explains: "for it is made holy by the Word of God [the 'truth'] and by prayer" (v.5).
Now, what foods are "made holy" - that is, separated for a particular use - by the Scriptures, the Word of God? There's basically only one place to look - and that is Leviticus 11, repeated in Deuteronomy 14! In other words, the "clean" foods. Paul specifically points out that certain substances, defined by God's Word, are set apart for use as food. Some are not. So around 60 A.D., almost 30 years after Christ's resurrection, the apostle Paul still hadn't got the message that Jesus had "made all meats clean"!
Note that Paul calls the false teaching demonic. It is today a well-known tenet of the Satan-inspired "New Age" teachings that "all animated life is sacred". The extension of this is that God dwells in all creatures - and we ought therefore, for this reason, to eat only vegetable foods. It is, of course, a Satanic lie! One result, for example, is the populous nation of India, where poverty and malnutrition is widespread largely due to the refusal to kill vermin such as rats and mice - which in consequence devour half the stored grain - or to use cattle for food. Any of those creatures, it is believed, might be re-incarnated people, or gods! This false concept is beginning to grip western society!
Did Jesus Change Animal Nature?
But didn't Jesus "make all foods clean"? This is "quoted" from Mark 7:19 and is often taken to mean that Jesus overturned the Bible dietary laws.
Recall that Jesus constantly upheld the Law of God! But he did, of course, have something to say about "uncleanness". He blasted Pharisees for their obsessive pre-occupation with ritually washing the objects they used daily. However, to use this text in Mark 7 to prove that at that precise moment Jesus took it on himself to a) change the nature of animals, or b) change the human digestive system, and to c) forever after do away with God's perfect Laws is a travesty of Scripture!
Let's read the passage: "And he said to them. Are you also still ignorant? Do you not perceive that what enters into the man from without cannot pollute him? Because it does not reach the intellect [KJV 'heart'] but passes into the bowels: which eliminate all foods [KJV: 'purging all meats']". Late glosses on the text interpreted these words as "This said Jesus, making all meats clean". But even this statement is only saying "making all food clean" - i.e., a bit of mud does not make clean meat unclean. The conversation with the Pharisees involved only their concern with the cleanliness of otherwise clean meats.
The logical meaning of Jesus's statement is in connection with the digestion of food in the human body. Notice the view of W. Walsham How in his Commentary: "'Purging all meats' - That is, cleansing the foods eaten from all that is not suitable for nourishment". It is a physiological statement as true today as two thousand years ago! The human digestive system eliminates all unwanted roughage, etc.
Jesus, in this passage, goes on to show that the true uncleanness or pollution is "from within, from man's intellect": from vile thoughts, adultery, fornication, murder, theft, avarice, wickedness, deceit, etc. (vv. 21-23). In other words, man is 'unclean' by breaking the Laws of God.
We have seen, then, that right from man's earliest days there is a God-inspired distinction between meats that are edible as food and those that aren't. Indeed in a prophecy for our time at the end of this age (v. 15) Isaiah relays God's message: "On the whole world the Eternal will pass sentence with his fire and sword. Any who ... eat the flesh of swine, of mice and crawling vermin, their rites and devices shall perish by the Eternal's order" (Isaiah 66:15-18 Moffatt).
Clearly God still holds the eating of unclean flesh as an abomination! Anciently God's Temple was desecrated by the sacrifice of an unclean animal on the altar. Very soon there will be a Temple (of some sort) again standing in Jerusalem. Again that Temple will be desecrated. Is it possible that the coming Antichrist will enforce the ritual eating of swine's flesh? That once again God's altar will be defiled by the sacrifice of a pig upon it? That a required part of the coming universal religion will be the eating of "the abomination"? If so, then it will surely be Sin to eat the unclean!
However, in the new Temple which the returned Jesus Christ will construct, all the sacrificial animals conform to the Laws of Clean and Unclean (Ezekiel 43 etc). An instruction to the Priests and Levites who will officiate in those days in the future is "They must teach the people the difference between what is sacred and what is unconsecrated [i.e., ritually], and show them how to distinguish what is unclean and what is clean" [i.e., inherently] (ch. 44:23). The former refers to sacrifices, the latter to food.
This is precisely what we in the Churches of God teach and practice now.

[Chaos]

I guess one of the things that really got to me is that pigs don't sweat. They don't have sweat glands. Therefore they do not release toxins....

they fart, and there farts are flammable. what do you think is killing the ozone?

[Caramel]

they fart, and there farts are flammable. what do you think is killing the ozone?

Well that is one way to look at it but I am talking about consumption.

[ojeen1981]

dont make me read all that...
i skimmed through it.

the vision of peter had nothing to do with food, it was about making Christianity into a universal religion (this was a huge debate between paul, who advocated the universality of christianty while peter did not).

It is clear in the Gospels that Jesus was not at all concenred with what we eat, Christianty deals more with the metaphysical spiritual aspect of mankind.

Cathy, plz do me a favor and copy and paste exactly which line from the paper u posted troubles u

[Caramel]

dont make me read all that...
i skimmed through it.

the vision of peter had nothing to do with food, it was about making Christianity into a universal religion (this was a huge debate between paul, who advocated the universality o

ok, so, if it had nothing to do with food....why did it become OK to eat pork?

[ojeen1981]

ok, so, if it had nothing to do with food....why did it become OK to eat pork?


becuase Jesus Christ, i dont want to use this word, but, he abolished the mosiac laws.

therefore, christians dont need to abide by the laws of moseses, hence pork became ok to eat for us

[ojeen1981]

by the way cathy, your question is bigger than u think, it has to do with y do Christians stop doing all the other stuff that the jews of antiquity followed. This is part of a huge theological Christian doctrine layed out by such theologians as st. augustine and so forth.

[Caramel]

by the way cathy, your question is bigger than u think, it has to do with y do Christians stop doing all the other stuff that the jews of antiquity followed. This is part of a huge theological Christian doctrine layed out by such theologians as st. augustine and so forth.

I guess it is bigger than I thought.

But - religion aside.....I don't think its ok to eat.

[Caramel]

becuase Jesus Christ, i dont want to use this word, but, he abolished the mosiac laws.

therefore, christians dont need to abide by the laws of moseses, hence pork became ok to eat for us

and just like that, pork becomes clean to eat. I just don't know.

[ojeen1981]

I guess it is bigger than I thought.

But - religion aside.....I don't think its ok to eat.


no way...pork is DIVINE! it taste toooo damn good

[Caramel]

no way...pork is DIVINE! it taste toooo damn good

enjoy!

[ojeen1981]

and just like that, pork becomes clean to eat. I just don't know.



yea u do know..u r ordered to indulge yourself with by eating pork!

[Caramel]

yea u do know..u r ordered to indulge yourself with by eating pork!

No thanks. I mean I have been reading for months about this. Maybe I should have pulled more sources before starting the thread. I have seen pictures of parasites that have lived inside people's bodies for years and years due to consumption of pork. 15'' long even. I have read about how they live off the food you eat inside your body, as you become the host. 2 of my friends got parasites from pork. They got really skinny first and didnt know why. No matter how much they ate....well, that was why.

[Caramel]

dont make me read all that...
i skimmed through it.

the vision of peter had nothing to do with food, it was about making Christianity into a universal religion (this was a huge debate between paul, who advocated the universality of christianty while peter did not).

It is clear in the Gospels that Jesus was not at all concenred with what we eat, Christianty deals more with the metaphysical spiritual aspect of mankind.

Cathy, plz do me a favor and copy and paste exactly which line from the paper u posted troubles u

aaaaauuuugh that would take me hours to find, I am tellin ya months and months of reading has led me to this - to collect all of that data again, I might as well write a book about THAT.

[Caramel]

Ok bottom line was to see what you all think about it. If you've ever had these questions/concerns.

[ojeen1981]

No thanks. I mean I have been reading for months about this. Maybe I should have pulled more sources before starting the thread. I have seen pictures of parasites that have lived inside people's bodies for years and years due to consumption of pork. 15'' long even. I have read about how they live off the food you eat inside your body, as you become the host. 2 of my friends got parasites from pork. They got really skinny first and didnt know why. No matter how much they ate....well, that was why.


yea, but almost anything u eat has the potential to do that. we have bacteria living in our body as we speak helping us digest food, protecting us from other more harmful bacteria.

as long as the body's immune system is not comprised (as in AIDS patients and such) the body will not have much trouble fighting off these infections, maybe antibiotics will help a lil.

but, if u really think about it, their r many other things out their that r not healthy like pork; if u dont want to eat pork, i guess that is your preferance, but their is no connection between pork eating and christianty.

jews and muslims would use the arguments u stated to ligitimize the reasons y "god" would prohibit the eating of pork, and in this way, they would go ahead and claim that therefore Christianty can not be the "true" faith becuase Christ did not follow the laws of "god" and he just put away with pork.

[Caramel]

yea, but almost anything u eat has the potential to do that. we have bacteria living in our body as we speak helping us digest food, protecting us from other more harmful bacteria.

as long as the body's immune system is not comprised (as in AIDS patients and such) the body will not have much trouble fighting off these infections, maybe antibiotics will help a lil.

but, if u really think about it, their r many other things out their that r not healthy like pork; if u dont want to eat pork, i guess that is your preferance, but their is no connection between pork eating and christianty.

jews and muslims would use the arguments u stated to ligitimize the reasons y "god" would prohibit the eating of pork, and in this way, they would go ahead and claim that therefore Christianty can not be the "true" faith becuase Christ did not follow the laws of "god" and he just put away with pork.

Bacteria is one thing. Parasites are another.

Fair enough, I am not trying to tell anyone else what to eat and what not to eat. I certainly don't need to abstain for religious reasons - but the history there does contribute to my rationale.

I know there are many unhealthy things we take into our bodies but given what I know now, the facts and the opinions I've gathered. What I've read and what I've seen first hand. No thanks.

[Caramel]

I take that back, I am telling YOU to eat vegetables! lol

[ojeen1981]

its hard as hell for me to eat healthy, if u can do it..much power to u; u must have to a very Determined person Cathy.

[ojeen1981]

I take that back, I am telling YOU to eat vegetables! lol


lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...that
Headache from last nite was a killer…u placed a curse on me, I just know u did

[Caramel]

its hard as hell for me to eat healthy, if u can do it..much power to u; u must have to a very Determined person Cathy.

Every time somebody says that I am taken aback. I do not find it difficult in the least to eat healthy. I find the opposite to be true. It is difficult to sit in a restaurant and try to find something decent enough to eat. I get nervous about eating other people's food unless I know them very well and know they're clean. I truly believe in - you are what you eat. Every cell in the body. How many bodies does one person get? Same as the # of lives. There is only one life, and this is it.

I can't believe I used to smoke cigs...

[Caramel]

lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...that
Headache from last nite was a killer…u placed a curse on me, I just know u did

All apologies! hahahaha

[ojeen1981]

Every time somebody says that I am taken aback. I do not find it difficult in the least to eat healthy. I find the opposite to be true. It is difficult to sit in a restaurant and try to find something decent enough to eat. I get nervous about eating other people's food unless I know them very well and know they're clean. I truly believe in - you are what you eat. Every cell in the body. How many bodies does one person get? Same as the # of lives. There is only one life, and this is it.

I can't believe I used to smoke cigs...


good way to think about it.

[Caramel]

good way to think about it.

See this makes me want to start another thread about processed garbage. I need to chill.

[nibras]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn0Xat7cVus

I Dont eat pork anymore.

[nibras]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn0Xat7cVus

I Dont eat pork anymore.

[Caramel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn0Xat7cVus

I Dont eat pork anymore.

I've seen that, didnt want to say anything about it...do you think thats for REAL? I don't know, its not like I'm gonna try that at home.

[nibras]

I've seen that, didnt want to say anything about it...do you think thats for REAL? I don't know, its not like I'm gonna try that at home.

Its enough for me not to eat pork EVER!

[Caramel]

Its enough for me not to eat pork EVER!

Was there anything you've seen heard or read before this that made you uneasy about it?

[nibras]

There has to be a reason so many cultures dont eat it.

Just from friends from dif religions. nothing really specifiic.

[Caramel]

There has to be a reason so many cultures dont eat it.

Just from friends from dif religions. nothing really specifiic.

THAT is what prompted me to explore.

[Mr. Brownstone]

according to the mosaic laws, Jews were not allowed to eat pork because it was considered "unclean", because pigs r uro-genital animals, meaning that they give birth to their offspring via the same path that they defecate through. Islam adopted this philosophy unto their religion due to the inevitable influence of Judaism.

Jesus, in the Gospels, when he was confronted with this question by the Pharisees, said: it is not what u eat that make u "good or bad" but what comes out of your mouth that indicates what is in your heart". (i am paraphrasing of course).

Furthermore, Christ , in Christian theology, abnegated the Mosaic laws through his Death on the Cross, therefore, those who follow Christ do not need to abide by the Mosaic laws.


what about messianic jews?!

[Caramel]

what about messianic jews?!

Do share.

[ojeen1981]

what about messianic jews?!


thats different, those r simply jews who converted to Christianty, so they let go of the moasic laws.

[renee]

There is a parasite that had been common in pork called trichanosis. In the past in the US, you had to cook pork to 180 degrees internal temperature to make sure all the parasitic worms were killed. US pork has been safe for a number of years now and you can cook it very much the same way as you cook beef.

[Caramel]

There is a parasite that had been common in pork called trichanosis. In the past in the US, you had to cook pork to 180 degrees internal temperature to make sure all the parasitic worms were killed. US pork has been safe for a number of years now and you can cook it very much the same way as you cook beef.


I used to believe that.