Creation vs. Evolution

[SamIAM™]

What do you think ?


I believe in creation as well but i believe also that evolution could have taken place during creation. Since we are not sure what God's meausrements of time were he said he built the world in 7 days. A day could represent millions of years. Anyways i believe in the Bible version of creation but i feel that like most of Genesis and Revelation require a great deal of interpretation and should not be taking very literal.

[OLIVIA]

I beleive in creation from what the bible tells us......evolution may have played a small role during creation but not enough to change my mind. 7 Days is 7 Days, not months, years or decades.......I dont think we should question what we know and learned from the bible.

[BONO]

What do you think ?


I believe in creation as well but i believe also that evolution could have taken place during creation. Since we are not sure what God's meausrements of time were he said he built the world in 7 days. A day could represent millions of years. Anyways i believe in the Bible version of creation but i feel that like most of Genesis and Revelation require a great deal of interpretation and should not be taking very literal.


That's very true. u can't just take each work of the Bible (specially the Old Testement) word for word. u must read between the lines and understand GOD and his doings. So in conculsion, First there was the creation and then everything evolved afterwards.

[WindyCityImports]

Creation is the ONLY way we / the earth / EVERYTHING came to be, period. The bible is word for word the truth, as it is God's works displayed through us from generation to generation. We have never done anything on our own, it is all God's will. The bible should be interpreted for what it is - God's word, not ours.

[Spoiledgal]

i agree with windy n olivia!

[SamIAM™]

just a reminder: the Bible was written from someone's point of view :think: God did not write the bible.

[BONO]

i agree with windy n olivia!

Can someone tell me what time of the day did GOD started Creating everything???

[WindyCityImports]

just a reminder: the Bible was written from someone's point of view :think: God did not write the bible.

Dude, as humans, we do things through God's will. The bible, was written using our hands, but God's words. Remember that my friend.

[OLIVIA]

i agree with windy n olivia!

Can someone tell me what time of the day did GOD started Creating everything???

Does that really make a difference? We as Catholics beleive that GOD created the world, maybe evolution took part after, but it had nothing to do with God's creation from the start!

[BONO]

just a reminder: the Bible was written from someone's point of view :think: God did not write the bible.

Dude, as humans, we do things through God's will. The bible, was written using our hands, but God's words. Remember that my friend.


Windy, God first created Heavens and earth, how do we know if it was day or night? What I'm trying to tell u is u can't take everthing word for word.

Olivia,

we are not disagreeing with you about whether God was the creator or not, but we are trying to put more sense on what really happened.

[Spoiledgal]

well it's true that the second testament of the bible was written from jesus's disciples if i'm not mistaken but i would have to research more on this topic. it is an interesting discussion.

[Stephie_B]

jesus spoke in parables - creation wasn't neccessarily 7 days because in God's eyes whats a day? But if u a true christian you shouldn't even consider the evolution theory - we should believe that God created the world and nothing else was involved in the process.

[themak]

Thought i would chime in here. For those of you that dont believe in Evoloution please consider the following from The Catechism of the Catholic Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechism_of_the_Catholic_Church) (1994, revised 1997) on faith, evolution and science states::

159. Faith and science: "...methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are." (Vatican II GS 36:1) 283. The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers.... 284. The great interest accorded to these studies is strongly stimulated by a question of another order, which goes beyond the proper domain of the natural sciences. It is not only a question of knowing when and how the universe arose physically, or when man appeared, but rather of discovering the meaning of such an origin....

also note that most all, if not all catholic schools in america also teach evolution.

For most catholics, it is not Creation vs. Evolution, but how the two co-exist. (there should be a third option of "both" in the poll)

I however do not believe in Creationism, as the catholic church in doctrine has stated that Genesis 2-11 are to be considered myth. So why choose 2-11 but not 1.

[Orgazmo]

Who's the asshole that keeps reviving OLD threads?

[John_5_24]

Thought i would chime in here. For those of you that dont believe in Evoloution please consider the following from The Catechism of the Catholic Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechism_of_the_Catholic_Church) (1994, revised 1997) on faith, evolution and science states::

159. Faith and science: "...methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are." (Vatican II GS 36:1) 283. The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers.... 284. The great interest accorded to these studies is strongly stimulated by a question of another order, which goes beyond the proper domain of the natural sciences. It is not only a question of knowing when and how the universe arose physically, or when man appeared, but rather of discovering the meaning of such an origin....

also note that most all, if not all catholic schools in america also teach evolution.

For most catholics, it is not Creation vs. Evolution, but how the two co-exist. (there should be a third option of "both" in the poll)

I however do not believe in Creationism, as the catholic church in doctrine has stated that Genesis 2-11 are to be considered myth. So why choose 2-11 but not 1.Mak, I love how you quote and rely upon the Catholic Catechism here, but do not when discussing other issues.

[themak]

Who's the asshole that keeps reviving OLD threads?

I guess im the asshole. I just figured it would be better to revive an old thread then start a brand new one. Isnt that what we are supposed to do?
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Mak, I love how you quote and rely upon the Catholic Catechism here, but do not when discussing other issues.

I am not saying that is what i believe, just that if they (Catholics), believe only in creationism, they really need to study up on church doctrine.

[John_5_24]

Got ya Mak. I agree with you on that position. Although I'm not Catholic...

[Enrico]

Religion is all a big scam.
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Who's the asshole that keeps reviving OLD threads?

Any thread that has a poll gets bumped up anytime someone votes on them, even if they don't post, and polls are featured on the main page of the forum.

[AshurIG]

combination of both
there is evolution but according to many scientists there is not enough time for us humans to be evolved the way we are right now. so statistically it doesn't make sense which is more important than theory

anyways the way we're made is lightly discussed in old testment the further explanation of world creation is more detailed in ancient Mesopotamian documents

Don't ask me how they know whatever they knew back then

There are ridiculous amount of information which is still passed for the last 10 thousand years and only few carry that info

My grandfather was aware of this info as he was in touch with some Bedouins who interestingly knew the diameter of earth and all type of information that was passed on by generation to generation.

[rudy]

It seems clear what everyone is referring to when using words like "creationism" but can anyone here define what they are trying to say when using the word "Evolution"?

[AshurIG]

not sure but I think most of people think of Darwinism Evolution which is pseudo-science pushed by the Elite Brits because they think they're superior over other nations!!!!

[CHALDEANELVIS]

Funny I should run into this thread so late. I've studied this topic quite in depth and even wrote a nearly 30 page paper on it in my last English class. Evolution is defined in 6 different categories: chemical, biological, stellar, organic, macroevolution, and microevolution, none of which have been observed except microevolution. Microevolution is not even really evolution, it's adaptation at the microscopic level. To give an example, lets say you take a dog who was born in tropical climate. His hair will most likely be thinner and shorter to compensate for the heat. But if you took that same dog and breed it in Alaska, its offspring, over time (maybe a generation or two) will grow thicker and longer hair to compensate for the colder weather. This is not to be confused with evolution.

All of the other forms of evolution have never been observed. Macroevolution is the major one of the list and its the idea that species have evolved into other species over long periods of time (like ape to man,etc). We have zero evidence for that in the entire fossil record.

Regardless of what any institution says, we must trust what God has said through the Bible. Yes, the Bible was written by man, but as Peter said "men moved through the Holy Spirit" as it was written. Otherwise, how could mere men speak so dogmatically on behalf of God if God were not instructing them?

[Assyrian_Dancer]

I don't believe in Darwinian Evolution for a few reasons: Firstly, I believe in God, and what you believe you will be led by. Secondly, when Darwin was hatching his 'theory', microscopes did not yet have the power to see inside cells, and so he believed he had finally found the 'basic unit' of life, and that this unit could thence spontaneously arise easily in nature - today we know there is just as much detailed mechanical and chemical work going on inside cells (organelles, enzymes etc) as in the animal organism itself... and further, that none of these working parts could have 'evolved', in whole or in part, exclusively from the rest, or in any sort of sequential order (the mitochondrion and eyeball being particularly interesting cases in point). Thirdly, as Chaldeanelvis said, macroevolution is a figment of men's imaginations; it doesn't exist in reality. The whole so-called theory of evolution arose from observations on the Galapagos Islands, and these animals (particularly birds) have never been observed to change into another species. A bird species may seem to get a longer tail feather over time but it is still the same species and can mate with others of its species. This is adaptation, and is different from evolution. Adaptation is when climate favours a certain phenotype (physical characteristic) over another and so offspring which possess that trait live and multiply more effectively than offspring which don't, thereby over time ensuring most of the population will possess that trait. It's quite simple. Genetic information is honed or lost over time, but never gained. Scientists are now finding evidence of the ability of certain genes to 'switch' themselves on or off depending on environmental circumstances. This can bring about a certain level of variety in a species, especially over time, but it is still not, nor ever will be, the same as a species changing into a completely different species (which would require an increase of genetic information, which doesn't happen EVER in nature).

I hope this post is not too long but a bit of cold hard fact in with the mix can't do any harm. Thanks! :)
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Yes, the Bible was written by man, but as Peter said "men moved through the Holy Spirit" as it was written. Otherwise, how could mere men speak so dogmatically on behalf of God if God were not instructing them?

Quite right! "Man would not have written the Bible if he could, and could not have written it if he would." (forgotten source, sorry). :D

[mariahybu]

half and half, but mostly creation.. I believe in what is thick and concrete, as well as what thins out..

[AssyrianDreamGirl]

i noticed all your posts include the word "half." What else are you half of?? Are you half human? Half Female/male? Half/brain? Your thoughts are scrambled....in half all the time. And we only understand half of what you say.