View Full Version : The Iraqi Elections : Biggest Disapointment
Senalko
01-22-2005, 01:41 AM
Once again, Iraqis abroad have proved that when it comes to the real thing, They are only good at Empty Talking and nothing else.
They cry for a country, for some freedom, for their rights, for a future to their kids, and when it comes to the real thing, they all chicken Out....
Just pathetic stats we have recieved from the World's Electoral board who is running the elections...
Out of 3 Million IRAQIS outside of iraq, Only 90,000 have registered... an embarrasing Figure that makes u wonder why the heck bother for people who are just Trash talkers *
that disapointing Figure have let Authorities in australia to extend the deadline for registering until Next tueday in the hope of Attracting more votes
Samuel
01-22-2005, 02:49 AM
hah. *i love it.
UmiSayz
01-22-2005, 10:09 AM
GOOD! They shouldn't get involved with ILLEGAL activities. The election is invalid. Sorry.
Armenian
01-22-2005, 11:48 AM
This is why the middle east will always have tyrants and dictators. *No one is ever willing to stand up. *I can picture Umisayz holding a sign "NO DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!". *As the result will be Iraq turning into another Iran.. *That part of the world is hopeless, its always been that way will always be that way. *It's a shame that Bush does not realize this. *The middle eastern people don't want change, they don't like change. As the wheels on the bus go round and round. *At this moment I am tired of American youths giving their lives for people who don't appreciate anything.
UmiSayz
01-22-2005, 12:02 PM
This is why the middle east will always have tyrants and dictators. *No one is ever willing to stand up. *I can picture Umisayz holding a sign "NO DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!". *As the result will be Iraq turning into another Iran.. *That part of the world is hopeless, its always been that way will always be that way. *It's a shame that Bush does not realize this. *The middle eastern people don't want change, they don't like change. As the wheels on the bus go round and round. *At this moment I am tired of American youths giving their lives for people who don't appreciate anything.
What part do you not understand that this war is illegal? Anything activities that goes on is illegal. The election is set up by the americans. Let the Iraqis decide when they want to vote. Not the Americans. You dont think i want the best for my ppl? *:roll:
Armenian
01-22-2005, 12:06 PM
You dont think i want the best for my ppl? *:roll:
No, if we had it your way, Iraqis would never have an election.. By the way, when was the last time Iraqis had an election of their own free will? *When was the last time average Iraqis were able to even voice their opinions?
Samuel
01-22-2005, 03:30 PM
Democracy is neither being spread nor is it a successful form of government.
Just because some people are ignorant enough to think that democracy is the pot of gold on the other side of the rainbow, doesn't mean we all are.
And i do think that you people believe the nonsense that comes out of your mouth. *
Anyway, the bush administration has sugarcoated Nation Building with the phrase "spreading democracy." *Apparently, he hasn't read his own founding father's warnings about a democracy, nor has he read about the Greeks who eventually collapsed due to such an idealistic structure of government. *But alas, bush shouldn't care about using cliche driven phrases. *The masses wouldn't know any better and it serves his purpose. *For the last time, WE'RE NOT SPREADING DEMOCRACY.
Samuel
01-22-2005, 03:33 PM
oh and umi is right. *The war is illegal. *And since the end doesn't justify the means, the election is *illegal. *Especially in such a case where the means was about the WORST means possible. * :alright:
I blame part of this low turnout to our chaldean community. *I think we all should participate in this election. *
I love the Unite States and I don't mind that my home county, Iraq, follows a similar type of government.
So let's all go out there and be more proactive.
Kikhwa
01-22-2005, 05:54 PM
Regarding the low turn out:
It doesn't help that there are only a handful of registration centers and polling places in the United States- some not even near large ChaldoAssyrian communities.
cktravel
01-22-2005, 06:30 PM
Don't let the area of the voting place discourage you. *People were driving from Pheonix to LA just to register. *Southgate is about an hour away and honestly it's a lot closer than Baghdad. *No one has an excuse not to vote.
If you're not satisfied with how things are going this is one of those chances you have to change them. *This is the only time the United Nations and the world will really hear your voice. *At all other times, you're just noise.
Don't let the area of the voting place discourage you. *People were driving from Pheonix to LA just to register. *Southgate is about an hour away and honestly it's a lot closer than Baghdad. *No one has an excuse not to vote.
If you're not satisfied with how things are going this is one of those chances you have to change them. *This is the only time the United Nations and the world will really hear your voice. *At all other times, you're just noise.
:applause: *:applause: *:applause: *:applause: *:applause: *:applause: *:applause:
Kikhwa
01-23-2005, 01:43 AM
cktravel, you're absolutely right. *
UmiSayz
01-23-2005, 01:56 AM
Make sure you put on a blind fold when you vote. Oh wait...since you dont know anything about the candidates or dont even know who the candidates are....you're already blind.
Emily
01-23-2005, 03:21 AM
ouch
Teffo
01-23-2005, 11:26 AM
This is why the middle east will always have tyrants and dictators. *No one is ever willing to stand up. *I can picture Umisayz holding a sign "NO DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!". *As the result will be Iraq turning into another Iran.. *That part of the world is hopeless, its always been that way will always be that way. *It's a shame that Bush does not realize this. *The middle eastern people don't want change, they don't like change. As the wheels on the bus go round and round. *At this moment I am tired of American youths giving their lives for people who don't appreciate anything.
What part do you not understand that this war is illegal? Anything activities that goes on is illegal. The election is set up by the americans. Let the Iraqis decide when they want to vote. Not the Americans. You dont think i want the best for my ppl? *:roll:
Please elaborate as to why this war is illegal?
And why isn't democracy a successful form of government? *It worked for ancient Isreal/Judea. *It worked for the Greeks. * :think:
If Democracy is a flop it's because others will be to ignorant to try something different.
cktravel
01-23-2005, 11:55 AM
This election or the one in Nov for the USA?, both times we take a chance. *
Ask around. *Call someone you know in Iraq or ask the elders about the parties and the people in them. *You need to investigate and do some of your own research. *So take your own blindfolds off and see.
Speak now (through voting) or forever hold your peace.
Armenian
01-23-2005, 12:18 PM
"We have declared a bitter war against democracy and all those who seek to enact it,"
-Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
Armenian
01-23-2005, 12:21 PM
"Democracy is also based on the right to choose your religion, that alone is against the rule of Allah.."
-Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
Teffo
01-23-2005, 12:22 PM
lmaoooo...looks like this guy is trying to promote the right to take away ppls natural laws...
UmiSayz
01-23-2005, 12:32 PM
"Democracy is also based on the right to choose your religion, that alone is against the rule of Allah.."
-Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
WTF? Hes ****in "ghost." No one till this day prove his existence. Nice one. *:roll:
Teffo. I never said i'm against democracy. Armenian just put words in my mouth.
Armenian
01-23-2005, 12:38 PM
yeah yeah.. dont deny that there is in fact extreamist insurgents in Iraq.
Teffo
01-23-2005, 12:39 PM
"Democracy is also based on the right to choose your religion, that alone is against the rule of Allah.."
-Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
WTF? Hes ****in "ghost." No one till this day prove his existence. Nice one. *:roll:
Teffo. I never said i'm against democracy. Armenian just put words in my mouth.
Ooh I'm sorry sammers...that wasn't directed towards you....it was to the other comments dear...
UmiSayz
01-23-2005, 12:45 PM
yeah yeah.. dont deny that there is in fact extreamist insurgents in Iraq.
Did i ever i said that theres no foreign "extremist" in Iraq? All i know is that theres no one by the name of Zarqawi. Hes a bogey man.
Samuel
01-24-2005, 03:56 AM
This is why the middle east will always have tyrants and dictators. *No one is ever willing to stand up. *I can picture Umisayz holding a sign "NO DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!". *As the result will be Iraq turning into another Iran.. *That part of the world is hopeless, its always been that way will always be that way. *It's a shame that Bush does not realize this. *The middle eastern people don't want change, they don't like change. As the wheels on the bus go round and round. *At this moment I am tired of American youths giving their lives for people who don't appreciate anything.
What part do you not understand that this war is illegal? Anything activities that goes on is illegal. The election is set up by the americans. Let the Iraqis decide when they want to vote. Not the Americans. You dont think i want the best for my ppl? *:roll:
Please elaborate as to why this war is illegal?
And why isn't democracy a successful form of government? *It worked for ancient Isreal/Judea. *It worked for the Greeks. * :think:
If Democracy is a flop it's because others will be to ignorant to try something different.
Part 1:
why is the war illegal, you ask? *you don't want to take my word for it. *You don't want to take moore's word for it. *You probably wouldn't take Professor Chomsky's (http://www.ru.org/Iraq-Chomsky-interview.htm) word for it either. So here's Kofi's (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm).
Part 2:
Democracy is not a successful form of government. *It's funny how people watch CNN once in awhile and all of a sudden think they're "political."
Democracy remains vulnerable to factions. *Factions are groups of people who gather together to protect and promote their special economic interests and political opinions. Although these factions are at odds with each other, they frequently work against the public interests, and infringe upon the rights of others.
For example, Debtors might become a majority faction and violate the property rights of their creditors (by, say, agitating for the introduction of “paper money”, “the abolition of debts”, or “an equal division of property”).
Hence, the introduction of Indirect Democracies (republics). *And if you think the greeks were a success, maybe you should take history 101 over again?
I love it when people use the word Democracy to decribe a represenative form of government. *It's juvenile and cliche driven. *We can't even run legitimate representative government elections in this country, what makes you think the iraqi elecions aren't going to be corrupt?????!~!!!!!!!?/?!?!?!
heh.
Samuel
01-24-2005, 04:22 AM
yeah yeah.. dont deny that there is in fact extreamist insurgents in Iraq.
yea, yea... don't deny that there aren't extremist hicks in the USA.
here, i'll help you out.
Pat Robertson (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/359136.stm), Ann Coulter (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2004-07-26-coulter-column_x.htm), Jerry Falwell (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/14/Falwell.apology/)
And our very own, SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, Antonin Scalia (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0801854326&itm=6)
... you were saying?
Teffo
01-24-2005, 09:30 AM
samd...i don't watch CNN...actually I don't watch much TV period. *The majority of what I know is from reading or classes.
And by the way...every government has it's flaws.
Nahrina
01-24-2005, 10:12 AM
Umi,
where were ppl. like you when Saddam was in power ???? and did everything illegal in Iraq????????????
Are u Iraqi??? AssyrianChaldean??? or u r just one of those whos family left Iraq long time ago and setteled inUSA and enjoied American lifestyle aand still had some buissenes to do with Iraqi regiem in USA ,
I do not belive u care about any Iraqi, AssyrianChaldean ,or Christian
And Im sure of that
UmiSayz
01-24-2005, 10:31 AM
Umi,
where were ppl. like you when Saddam was in power ???? and did everything illegal in Iraq????????????
Are u Iraqi??? AssyrianChaldean??? or u r just one of those whos family left Iraq long time ago and setteled inUSA and enjoied American lifestyle aand still had some buissenes to do with Iraqi regiem in USA ,
I do not belive u care about any Iraqi, AssyrianChaldean ,or Christian
And Im sure of that
Umm you dont know anything about my family. Keep my name and my family business out your mouth. Thanks.....hater.
Armenian
01-24-2005, 10:47 AM
yeah yeah.. dont deny that there is in fact extreamist insurgents in Iraq.
yea, yea... don't deny that there aren't extremist hicks in the USA.
here, i'll help you out.
Pat Robertson (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/359136.stm), Ann Coulter (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2004-07-26-coulter-column_x.htm), Jerry Falwell (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/14/Falwell.apology/)
And our very own, SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, Antonin Scalia (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0801854326&itm=6)
... you were saying?
yes there is extreamists in the USA (I never said there was not). *But at least they are not chopping off head after head after head with dull knives on busy street corners shouting "God is Great" while on coming cars are honking and people are cheering.. And I have seen the recent videos this month so don't say its a "lie" *:roll:
Now thats something you don't see in your San Diego Utopia is it?
there is nothing wrong with anyone disagreeing with the current election. *In that case, you should voice your opinion along with others about what u believe. *Unfortunately, the only thing I've seen is people blowing themselves up as a way of voicing their opinion. *That's what I call pathetic loooooosers.
Teffo
01-24-2005, 11:26 AM
there is nothing wrong with anyone disagreeing with the current election. *In that case, you should voice your opinion along with others about what u believe. *Unfortunately, the only thing I've seen is people blowing themselves up as a way of voicing their opinion. *That's what I call pathetic loooooosers.
:applause: looks like they are adapting the palestian way of protesting.
Nahrina
01-24-2005, 11:34 AM
Umi
Im not a hater, I just acnt hate anyone cuz if I do I will be a liar and cannot say Im follwer of jesus Christ
Bu let me ask you 2 ?
1. Why is the Palestenian election legal when *it was done under the Jewish invasion ((every Arab and moslem consider Jews are invators, isn't it ????))
2. Have ever been asked to leave your home at 7;00 am to go on the street and shout that you are voting for Saddam and only Saddam as forever President for Iraq??? how legal was that ???
3. how many legal election there is in the entire Arab and Moslem world under their dectator ship and no one even care to call them ILLEGAl!!!
One more thing,
Mosaab alzarqawy is not a gohst he has a family living in Jordan, and he is so evil that he is not killing the Christian only in Iraq, but he is doing the same thing with his fellow Moslem
Isnt this evil?????
Isnt the free democratic election the best for all Iraqi ppl.???
I know all Arab countries feels thretend by this movement in Iraq, and some of those ppl. are Iraqi as this will no longer serve their best intrests.
Armenian
01-24-2005, 11:44 AM
Isnt the free democratic election the best for all Iraqi ppl.???
Its best for all, but sadly not all want it, many want either Islamic law or a dictatorship.
Teffo
01-24-2005, 12:01 PM
Isnt the free democratic election the best for all Iraqi ppl.???
Its best for all, but sadly not all want it, many want either Islamic law or a dictatorship.
Although I agree with Democracy being best, you have to look at it from their point of view. *Countries with the majority of Muslims work with Islamic law too. *
Democracy being forced upon them, might be a weakness for Iraq, since the countries around them do not follow that particular pattern. *I could be wrong. :eh:
Armenian
01-24-2005, 12:03 PM
Countries with the majority of Muslims work with Islamic law too. *
yeah for the majority, but not for the minorities like Assyrians (you forget about them? ) and other ethnic minorities.
Teffo
01-24-2005, 12:10 PM
Countries with the majority of Muslims work with Islamic law too. *
yeah for the majority, but not for the minorities like Assyrians (you forget about them? ) and other ethnic minorities.
A lot of people are gonna really hate me for this comment, but Sadam wasn't bad with the Christians. *He actually helped protect a lot and had many of them work for him. *A Chaldean piano player, played for all his celebrations and spent a lot of time in his castles. *Another one was a body guard and spy for him. *
Ok I think I'm off topic, but what makes us think that the people of Iraq will follow this new form of government. *I see them revolting and we will have another French Revolution on our hands. *GIVE THEM KULACHI! LOL! in lieu of give them cake
Armenian
01-24-2005, 12:11 PM
Tariq Aziz is Chaldean, but that does not mean that Saddam or his family were angels and really cared about the people.
Armenian
01-24-2005, 12:17 PM
you know what, lets listen to Nahrina, she seems to have lived under the Saddam Regime while the rest of us had it easy. *Its smart to listen to people who were actually there.
Teffo
01-24-2005, 12:21 PM
I have. *I listen to my mother, my father, my relatives...They tell me, but honestly I get mixed answers. *Some say it was the Muslims living there...others say Sadam sent them to attack us and promoted the verbal and physical abuse upon Christians in Iraq. *So, I try to form my own opinion from my own observations since I myself went to Iraq and although i was only 5-6 i spent three months there and pretty much remember everything. *And I never saw anyone mistreat me or anyone in my family, I saw pleasantness in Bagdad...and a lot of perves! *lmaoo!
cktravel
01-24-2005, 12:28 PM
I agree with Armenian...listen to Nahrina. *
No offense to the young ones, but you'll find out sooner or later that the elders really do have more knowledge on life and history than their juniors. *
Always listen to all sides with an open mind. *Nothing ever was ever solved by a clouded mind or one with hatred in their heart.
I too was born in the USA by parents who came a long time ago, but that doesn't mean I don't take the time to listen to those who went through life changing experiences.
VOTE!!! VOTE!!! VOTE!!!
It's your privilege not your luxury.
Teffo
01-24-2005, 12:35 PM
Yea the elders might be educated, but they are biast. *(not meaning Nahrina) I mean in general.
I don't want to listen to anyone anymore. *I just want to have my opinions and voice them. *Wehter or not anyone agrees with me.
UmiSayz
01-24-2005, 01:09 PM
I agree with Armenian...listen to Nahrina. *
the only problem i have with Nahrina is speaking about my family and my beliefs. And i do not have to listen to Nahrina.
SamIAM™
01-24-2005, 01:09 PM
I have. *I listen to my mother, my father, my relatives...They tell me, but honestly I get mixed answers. *Some say it was the Muslims living there...others say Sadam sent them to attack us and promoted the verbal and physical abuse upon Christians in Iraq. *So, I try to form my own opinion from my own observations since I myself went to Iraq and although i was only 5-6 i spent three months there and pretty much remember everything. *And I never saw anyone mistreat me or anyone in my family, I saw pleasantness in Bagdad...and a lot of perves! *lmaoo!
I'm gonna put my $.02 on this,
I my self lived under Saddam until I was 13. In Iraq my parents had the best jobs, we lived the best life possible. *It was totally the opposite, Christians were highly respected people and treated extremely fairly under Saddams rule. The educated people in iraq still do so. *
The problem nowadays is lawlessness, Saddam purposely treated the people who oppose him especially the shiia like shit, most of them have no education and very illiterate. Those people are like the cavemen. In this current situation where there is no law, extremism is shaping those people mind. The bombing against the chirstians in Iraq are being done by those people who are brain washed by people that are NOT Iraqis.
I have all the respect for ANY iraqi regardless of their religion. And i'm sure the members that lived there would agree with me. * Now I'm not saying it was a perfect world over there for the christians, there are many regions of iraq that had some extremism going on even with saddam being there. But I think thats just the crazy world we live in, I mean we got some shit like that here in the US where people kill people just because of their religion/color.
Iraqi Christians were optimistic to remove saddam from power only due to the fact that he took us to many unnecessary wars, and since we were part of the iraqi people we felt the pain of the iraqi people who were oppressed by him. If you ask any iraqi chrisian living there right now if it was better when Saddam was in power, I think they're fools if they tell you no.
One more thing, democracy for mostly uneducated people will NEVER succeed. But its too late now, we must take the steps to look for a better future, and not talk bitch about history. Election will be the first step to the future.
Teffo
01-24-2005, 01:14 PM
Sam if you read up on my previous post you will see that i stated that he treated Christians very well. *He even offered many government jobs and a lot worked very close with him.
renee
01-25-2005, 09:52 AM
yeah yeah.. dont deny that there is in fact extreamist insurgents in Iraq.
yea, yea... don't deny that there aren't extremist hicks in the USA.
here, i'll help you out.
Pat Robertson (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/359136.stm), Ann Coulter (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2004-07-26-coulter-column_x.htm), Jerry Falwell (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/14/Falwell.apology/)
And our very own, SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, Antonin Scalia (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0801854326&itm=6)
... you were saying?
Ann Coulter is my god.
Armenian
01-25-2005, 10:14 AM
^^Yeah, hey she doesn't chop off any heads.
UmiSayz
01-25-2005, 10:17 AM
^^Yeah, hey she doesn't chop off any heads.
Whatever that means.
Nahrina
01-25-2005, 11:28 AM
Teffo said
A lot of people are gonna really hate me for this comment, but Sadam wasn't bad with the Christians. *He actually helped protect a lot and had many of them work for him. *A Chaldean piano player, played for all his celebrations and spent a lot of time in his castles. *Another one was a body guard and spy for him.
Teffo, I’m not gonna hate you for sure, but you have to live something to be able to judge right?????????????/ [shadow=green:f30e8f9d02]YOU NEED TO NO THE TRUTH[/shadow:f30e8f9d02]
1. Saddam liked maybe the life style of Christian, I mean by that Christian were more civilized than his fellow Moslem, Christian were more educated, open minded, e.g. Saddam used to visit Iraqi ppl. when he did visit Moslem families 99% of them would through themselves on him, scream, sing and do some weird body gestures to show him that they loved him not to mention their houses were not clean, not organized(no offence to any Moslem but this is the way they were) majority of them dressed badly, *While when he did visit a Christian family(I think it was Chaldean) he was amazed by the way they behaved, their clean and organized household, every1 in the family sat quiet listening to him no jumping around no falling on the floor nothing like that .
On Iraqi TV this what Saddam said" today my bodyguard are having a break"
cuz as I said bef. there was no jumping on him
2. Christians were and are more honest than Moslem (this is how we were known in Iraq i dont know about other countries) when it came to dealing with money and properties and taking care of things (and this very important to any Employer), so that’s why he had all Christian working for him.
3. As Christian Iraqi, we did not have our rights( does not mean we were like Iran) cus saddam was not religious, but there was no legislation to give Christian Iraqi their right e.g. when I was in college I had to argue with the office to let us Christian have 1 day off for Christmas.
4. As a Christian if you ever love Moslem guy you can convert to Islam, but it was not the other way around
5. Moslems had a religion subject at scholl, we didint Why???this is not right
6. Imagin all men in you family and relatives goes to War and there is no recognition from government of that (on Iraqi TV all what they would say is Moslem are dying )
So I could go on and on and on, but lets not forget as Christian and an ethnic group we needed our right we are not only Christian, WE ARE AN ETHNIC group needed to be recognized and have all our right just like any other *Iraqi Moslem Arab ( I mean when it comes down to Language,culture etc)
I had a lot of Moslem friend I loved they were very nice ppl. (Not religious) but I have very bad memory from Moslems (who were religious)
[shadow=tomato:f30e8f9d02]Do you know Teffo that we were not allowed to ware a CROSS *and show it when we were at schools, while Moslems had all the rights to do so.
Do you know you could be mistreated by a Moslem teacher and you could not do anything about it?
Do you know when Saddam stepped into the office, the first thing he did to Christian was forcing Christian student to learn Quraan???? And if it wasn’t for the Pop God knows what would have happened (remember no religion subject for Christian students)[/shadow:f30e8f9d02]
SO CAN YOU SHOW HOW SADDAM LOVED CHRISTIAN
HE DID NOT EVEN LOVED HIS FELLOW MOSLEMS( how many of them did he kill????)
SADDAM LOVED NO IRAQI SITIZEN
Teffo
01-25-2005, 11:31 AM
Nahrina...I am well aware of all the facts, but when it comes to him and his rule I can't place him. *You're biast so what you say isn't factual it's an opinion.
I'm sorry you have bad memories of Muslims, but to live as Jesus would you need to make your peace with that.
Senalko
01-25-2005, 11:33 AM
Saddam had no friends in iraq....the Christians had good jobs becuase they worked hard for it and they earned it.....
my family had the best jobs too.. my dad was iraq's top Biological Scientist, we had free house, free car and was paid well, but when it comes to Morals, u have to see the big picture...
my dad gave away this good fortunes cause he refused to live at the expense of others who were being Slaughtered like sheep.. he refused working for saddam's boilogical weapons and instead fled the country in protest.....
what kind of future was there for us? one that is built on Bribes? corruption and backstabbing?
Saddam treated christians fairly cuase he could trust them more than he did on his own family, but everything came at a price.... many christians were punished by saddam, and many lost their lives fighting for a relgious war that had nothing to do with them ....
As far as the elections go, wether they like it or not, IRAQ will be ruled by a Secular Regime, a Government that seperates religion from politics and ensures everyone has their rights...
i am a big Fan of Ayad Alawi... his followers are all old mates of my old man, it was kinda freaky when i discovered he was calling us home and talking to dad lol, but from what they saying over there, it looks all Positive...
they claimed that they know excately who is behind all the Trouble, and that once they are officially in Power, they will go and Clean them all out in a matter of days.....
whoever wins the elections, WE must only go Forward....America isnt goona leave iraq alone, and nor do i think we should leave them as well....Our interests lies with America's interest so we have got to grow up, and work together... the americans dont want our oil, they control the Gulf.... what they want is Security and i beleieve we can give them that... in Return we get live again like decent human beings ... why is that so hard to see ???
SamIAM™
01-25-2005, 11:33 AM
I remember, the girls were ALLOWED to wear a cross. *And during religon class, we were allowed to go play soccer *:think:
Actually at my cousins school, they had a Christian religon class and a Muslim class. *
In addition to all those, there was Catholic schools in Baghdad .
Different schools had different policies probably.
Armenian
01-25-2005, 11:58 AM
What I would like to know.. If life was so good under Saddam's regime, why did anyone leave Iraq?
Nahrina
01-25-2005, 12:16 PM
Guys Im not talking about policies and procedures here, Im talking about
living in a country as a citizen and have no rights like other sitizens
Iraqi legislation or Bill of rights did not give you any religious or ethniticity right
Its not about this school and that one, not about a good Moslem and a bad one
[shadow=cadetblue:8f24da30ff]Its about how Saddams government or how Iraqi legislation could protect my rights AS A CITIZEN( whether im white, black or blue)[/shadow:8f24da30ff]
Also, Teffi
I have no problem with any moslem. When it comes to make peace with them I already have that (when I mentioned my bad memories ) I meant when someone do like that to you in Iraq, the Law did not protect you, the Law that Saddam put together
Could *any of you guys or your Family live in USA or Canada if the law did not protect us as Imigrant to have rights to *live, prosper etc.?????? I dont think so its the LAW that makes the difference.
the Law that is protecting me to live as an Assyrian Canadian for 5 years now and excersice all what I can to go on and on. Iv'e been only 5 years in Canada, my ancestore exist in Iraq 7000 ago.Its not fair our Villages were destroyed, our ppl. killed by Kurds its so painfull when you remember all that
Wher is Saddam's love to Christian in all that
He favours Christian over Moslem to work for him, does not mean He loved them !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Teffo
01-25-2005, 12:17 PM
nahrina...you're cool in my book.
oooh btw guys...my mom registered me to vote yesterday :) *:alright: *:mrgreen: *:jive:
SamIAM™
01-25-2005, 12:24 PM
What I would like to know.. If life was so good under Saddam's regime, why did anyone leave Iraq?
No one would'f left it he wasn't starting wars with everyone and their mom, he was becoming un predictable with his wars. Otherwise my parents would'f NEVER left.
Teffo
01-25-2005, 12:27 PM
My mom left as soon as he took over, because she knew something explosive was going to happen. *But now my mother wants to go back as soon as things settle down. *She has land in both her village and my fathers village and plans on building a new life for her there... :cry: *I'm going to miss her!
My parents left before Saddam was evr in power and would never consider moving back
missbaghdad
01-25-2005, 01:04 PM
Teffo! The Chaldean Piano Player was Samir Peter. Yes you are absolutely right about him. He was the most famous piano player. He has his own documentary film, called "The Liberace of Baghdad". It's at the Sundance Film Festival right now.
ALSO! He's featured in my film "Voices of Iraq" For anyone who saw the movie, he's the piano player at the beginning of the film. He plays the beautiful song "The Bombarding of Baghdad"
He's such an amazing person, with so much personality. Unfortunately he has been through so much pain. But I think he has been able to finally leave Iraq for the premiere of his film, something he has been trying to do for years.
Please support this film when/if it comes out! The website is www.seanmcallister.com
P.S. I just want to thank you all - Teffo, SamIAM, and Nahrina for speaking logic. I agree with so much of what you guys said throughout different posts on this conversation.
Teffo
01-25-2005, 01:05 PM
Teffo! The Chaldean Piano Player was Samir Peter. Yes you are absolutely right about him. He was the most famous piano player. He has his own documentary film, called "The Liberace of Baghdad". It's at the Sundance Film Festival right now.
ALSO! He's featured in my film "Voices of Iraq" For anyone who saw the movie, he's the piano player at the beginning of the film. He plays the beautiful song "The Bombarding of Baghdad"
He's such an amazing person, with so much personality. Unfortunately he has been through so much pain. But I think he has been able to finally leave Iraq for the premiere of his film, something he has been trying to do for years.
Please support this film when/if it comes out! The website is www.seanmcallister.com
P.S. I just want to thank you all - Teffo, SamIAM, and Nahrina for speaking logic. I agree with so much of what you guys said throughout different posts on this conversation.
First, thank you for your compliment and second...You're wrong it's Raed George.
missbaghdad
01-25-2005, 01:12 PM
Wow then there are two famous chaldean piano players? That's cool!
Samir was huge. I don't know Raed George though... is there any info about him? I just googled him and had a hard time finding info on him...
Teffo
01-25-2005, 01:15 PM
He should be on there since he is known to be the greatest mistro in all the middle east.
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