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Sal Izo
02-15-2005, 04:54 AM
Bush Requests $81.9B for Iraq, Afghan Wars

By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Democrats are using President Bush (news - web sites)'s request for $77 billion for conflicts in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) to criticize his war policies and soaring federal deficits, but congressional approval of something very much like the request seems inevitable.

Bush sent an $81.9 billion proposal to Capitol Hill on Monday that includes nearly $1 billion for tsunami aid to battered Indian Ocean countries, new broadcasts aimed at Europe's Muslims and offices for the newly created director of national intelligence.

Most of the $77 billion directly related to the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan is for the Defense Department — with the rest for aid to U.S. allies, the Palestinians and other areas.

Bush said the additional money for the remainder of the 2005 budget year would help Iraq and Afghanistan pursue "the path of democracy and freedom." He said the funds would help protect U.S. troops, track down terrorists and enhance Middle East peace prospects.

Democrats said the proposal did little to correct the problems surrounding the U.S. effort in Iraq, where national elections were held last month amid a relentless insurgency that has slowed reconstruction efforts.

"This supplemental request provides support for our men and women in uniform, but it provides little basis for optimism for a stable and secure Iraq," said Sen. Robert Byrd (news, bio, voting record), D-W.Va., one of the president's most persistent war critics.

Democrats also said the request, which Bush wants to be financed through borrowing, underscores the budget's problems.

The $2.57 trillion budget Bush sent Congress last week projected a record $427 billion deficit this year and $390 billion in red ink in 2006. While it included Bush's latest request, the budget omitted any new war funds next year, which are considered certain to be needed.

"It's going to get bigger," Rep. John Spratt (news, bio, voting record), D-S.C., said of the shortfall.

The new chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, Rep. Jerry Lewis (news, bio, voting record), R-Calif., said he hoped to ship the bill to Bush's desk by early April. But he added, "Congress will exercise our constitutional obligations" — code words for the likelihood that some changes will be made.

Approval would push the total spent in Iraq and Afghanistan and other efforts against terrorism beyond $300 billion, including the costs of fighting and reconstruction. It stood at about $228 billion before Bush's latest request, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, which writes reports for Congress.

Congress gave Bush a $25 billion down payment last summer for this year's costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The U.S. involvement in Vietnam, which lasted more than a decade when it ended in 1975, cost $623 billion when that era's expenditures are converted to the value of today's dollars, according to the research service.

The request spotlighted how the growing costs of war and reconstruction have exceeded initial administration characterizations. White House officials derided former Bush economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey's early estimate of a $100 billion to $200 billion price tag.

Some $12 billion was requested to replace or repair worn-out and damaged equipment, including $3.3 billion for extra armor for trucks and other protective gear — highlighting a sensitivity to earlier complaints by troops.

There was money for more generous death benefits for the families of slain American soldiers, to improve troops' health coverage and bonuses for staying in the reserves. Many U.S. troops have been forced to serve prolonged periods in Iraq.

In addition, there was $5.7 billion to train Iraqi forces and $1.3 billion to train Afghan security agencies. Another $5 billion was for the Army to redesign many of its own combat brigades to make them more flexible and less reliant on other units.

Bush requested $658 million to build a new U.S. embassy in Iraq that could house a staff of 1,000, plus $717 million to staff it. He wants $4.8 million to enhance U.S.-backed broadcasting to Arabs, including new television broadcasts aimed at Muslims living in Europe, and $250 million to build offices for the director of national intelligence and for other intelligence costs.

Afghanistan would get almost $2 billion more for its own reconstruction, including money to build roads and schools, combat illegal drugs and prepare for parliamentary elections.

There was money for other U.S. allies, including $150 million for Pakistan, $300 million for Jordan and $60 million for the Ukraine. The Palestinians — engaged in a new peace effort with Israel — would get $200 million for economic development and to help them create democratic institutions.

One possible flashpoint with Congress was two $200 million funds the State Department would control to provide economic and security aid to unspecified U.S. allies.

A total of $950 million would be provided for the tsunami-damaged Indian Ocean countries, including $350 million to replenish U.S. accounts tapped earlier for initial tsunami aid.

Also requested was $242 million for aid for Sudan's war-ravaged Darfur region.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050215/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq

Neo
02-15-2005, 10:37 AM
mmmm so what?

Nahrina
02-17-2005, 03:35 PM
Poor American, I feel so sorry for them

renee
02-17-2005, 04:20 PM
I would think that a couple of nuclear bombs would be much less expensive? *:think:

renee
02-17-2005, 04:23 PM
Poor American, I feel so sorry for them

I've often wondered why people come here if they don't really want to participate in our government. It must be that they are simply using the freedoms that we (maybe foolishly) guarantee to all usurpers.

You, Nahrina, are a usurper who should really go back from whence you came.

Samuel
02-17-2005, 07:28 PM
Poor American, I feel so sorry for them

I've often wondered why people come here if they don't really want to participate in our government. It must be that they are simply using the freedoms that we (maybe foolishly) guarantee to all usurpers.

You, Nahrina, are a usurper who should really go back from whence you came.

Bleh. *America reaps in the sorrows of other countries... *Why the hell do you think we're here in the first place? *You can be damn sure, that anyone who escaped to America for freedom, was originally living in a country that got unjustly fvcked over by America. *America initiates the coup d'état of the decent regime for a corrupt one, and exploits the country through that. *Although what Nahrina said isn't entirely profound...what you said was utterly rude considering your background. * If we're going to start nuking people... let's gather 'round the bigots in one big fat circle....and start there.. *that would take care of both of you.
:roll: *:roll:

Btw...now you can stop wondering...and enroll is some history classes, k doctor?


Oh yea, and try not to enroll at Brigham Young, God Bless the United States, unscholarly persuasion for idiots, University...just to broaden your perspective a bit.

Nahrina
02-17-2005, 08:24 PM
I've often wondered why people come here if they don't really want to participate in our government. It must be that they are simply using the freedoms that we (maybe foolishly) guarantee to all usurpers.

You, Nahrina, are a usurper who should really go back from whence you came.

What is your problem Renee ????????????????????? so rude O my God

Yes, I feel sorry for American, for the blood they shed in Iraq and Afganistan
where some people dont deserve, I feel sorry for those youg guys dying everyday there, I feel sorry for putting their money to help people who maybe in 10 years from now will shout Death to America, just like Afganistan

I am so gratefull for the American and what they done in My contry so far, freeing Iraq from saddam was just a dream we never beleived it will come true.
So, please try to understand what I meant and lets be more civilized.

renee
02-17-2005, 08:41 PM
You can be damn sure, that anyone who escaped to America for freedom, was originally living in a country that got unjustly fvcked over by America. *America initiates the coup d'état of the decent regime for a corrupt one, and exploits the country through that. *.

You, too, can leave my country anytime you want. It's a funny thing about freedom, the door works both ways.

user_1009
02-17-2005, 10:12 PM
Something needs to be understood. Just because you live in America DOES NOT MEAN you have to agree with what the government does. "Oh leave the country then" is one of the most ignorant answers people are always giving.

sammiedebull
02-17-2005, 10:59 PM
I agree that you do not have to agree with the goverment, thats the idea of the country and what it was founded on.

I think i do agree that you cant blame everything on the administration, politian, it seems like a lot of people in teh country like to blame others when things go wrong.

it is true that we created some of the problems, yet, sometimes you need to go with the idea that "your enemys enemy if you best friend". That is just the way it works, its not as easy as oww, we made everything out there this way and now we must pay, for those who say that, shame on you!!!

Did you create saddam and bin ladan, the simple answer is yes, we did, thats not in question here. But did we create them because we like them? thats obvious no.

we created bin ladan because we needed to stop the russians from pushing their aggression across the world, so the goal there was to work with anyone who could give the russians a hard tome so they theyw ould become weak an dtheir economy would eventually fall.

For saddam, it is also an easy one, we supported him during the iran war, so we were backing him because we had this idea that iran would be a bigger threat.

so did we create problems out there which are haunting us now, but did we prevent massive problems like a nuclear war? YES!!!

I think a lot of people who bash this country on every chance they have should leave, if you hate teh USA, leave. Am i saying not to question decisions and policies bieng made? NO, i am saying that some people will take every oppertunity, no matter how tasteless it is, they will take it and begin to say how bad this country is.

also Nahrina, if your conutry were attacked, who would be the first one there to help you? the usa is not a perfect place, bt when you have a population with 300 million people who can speak their mind, than your obviously going to have many twists and turns. thats the beauty of it.

i disagree with a lot of things like the patriot act and so on. but i agree with the ideas and concept of teh country and i really hate when outsiders and most importantly insiders take every oppertunity to bash bash bash.

Samuel
02-18-2005, 01:01 AM
Something needs to be understood. Just because you live in America DOES NOT MEAN you have to agree with what the government does. "Oh leave the country then" is one of the most ignorant answers people are always giving.


get used to it. *Renee is about the phoniest doctor you'll ever meet. *I don't think it's possible to be a doctor of any kind and lack that much historical knowledge. *Even biologists study marx, nietzsche, freud -- basic philosophical, and societal theories. *

Renee, spare your ego for a second and appreciate what all of the real Americans (people who made sacrifices to get here, and aren't naive byproducts of corporate america like yourself) have to offer. * Face it, Coulter (in case you don't know who that is...she's like you...a phony) ... this country wouldn't be where it is without them. *

Recently, a professor at U of Colorado was condemned (and may be potentially fired) for speaking against USA policies. *Here's an analysis of the thesis that got him in trouble by another professor:

" Malcolm X was correct, and it was appropriate for Churchill to quote him: Chickens do, indeed, come home to roost. And whether U.S. citizens want to acknowledge it or not, there likely will be chickens heading our way for years to come.

I take Churchill's central thesis to be that (1) U.S. crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes around the world -- from the genocidal campaigns against indigenous people on which this country was founded, through the post-World War II assaults (both by the U.S. military and through proxy forces) on the people of the Third World -- are crimes, in legal and moral terms; (2) while contemporary non-state terrorism is a complex phenomenon, U.S. policies aimed at domination and control around the world are one of several key factors in spawning such terrorism; and (3) we must study that history and those connections if we want to prevent further crimes, whether committed by the United States or against U.S. citizens."


Now renee....since you really aren't a doctor... i don't expect you to understand the analysis of Professor Churchill's thesis. *But the gyst is that...if you strike at someone...expect them to strike back.... get it? *I'm trying to help you out, because you seem to lack common sense.


So really...when are you going to come out and admit that you're not a doctor? * :roll:

Samuel
02-18-2005, 05:02 AM
Btw... in case you think i'm joking... i'm definitely not. * I've met my fair share of disgraceful doctors. *Doctors that don't know their head from their ass. *Doctors who seem to only have a general interest in the subject they study...and lack even the subtlest knowledge about everything else. *But you...you are an exception.. *You don't even know about the things you've supposedly studied. *A legal consultant? *Right...and i'm barbara walters.. *I really think your entire story is a sham. *You're not a doctor. *You're not a legal consultant. *Because quite frankly, you know nothing about either. * *You're like one of those fat perverted dudes posing to be the 17 year old cheerleader on internet chat rooms. *Except here, you're flaunting your intelligence, despite sending out the message that you're really the "fat-perverted-phony." *Maybe you need to tweak your act a bit, yea?

sammiedebull
02-18-2005, 10:14 AM
once again, bashing people for what they believe :) you dont get bored do you ;)

Rita
02-18-2005, 10:22 AM
once again, bashing people for what they believe :) you dont get bored do you ;)

Yea, I thought he was going to stop after that last thread when he realized he does this at times & apologized. *:roll:

renee
02-18-2005, 10:39 AM
once again, bashing people for what they believe :) you dont get bored do you ;)

Yea, I thought he was going to stop after that last thread when he realized he does this at times & apologized. *:roll:

I've learned a long time ago to ignore the "know nothings."

sammiedebull
02-18-2005, 10:52 AM
Its nice to disagree and give your ideas and points, but going against peoples character is not the right thing to do, it makes you look very bad.

i dont agree with a lot of people, but i try my best not to attack peopls character, i have done it before, but i walways try to watch myself not to do it, its not right.

I dont agree with a lot of things which renee or rita say, but i respect their view.

so be nice and respect peoples view!!!

Samuel
02-18-2005, 12:21 PM
once again, bashing people for what they believe :) you dont get bored do you ;)

Yea, I thought he was going to stop after that last thread when he realized he does this at times & apologized. *:roll:


i apologize for being rude to someone shallow enough to request i leave "her" country. * *:roll: *:roll: *:roll:

sammiedebull
02-18-2005, 02:07 PM
I understand your point, but show restraint :)

caz
02-18-2005, 05:35 PM
i totally agree with samd, and nahrin, to tell you the truth i love politics i think its awesome and democracy rules. im not american and i thank god because i love the country im living in. but if it wasnt for the damn presidents that ruined our native country we wouldnt even be in these countries so i do agree with nahrin i really feel for the soliders and i feel for their families but i have no heart or remours for any other ppl because wat happens to the american ppl is a reflection of the peoples view of them around the world mainly focused on their gov't and the way it is poorly run because of the moran that is in charge rite now but thats another story. but for this girl ranee im sry to say this but u need to grow up ur an adult and ur telling ppl to go back and leave your *country . wake up and smell the roses ITS NOT YOUR COUNTRY UR A CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY YOUR COUNTRY IS THE ONE WHERE YOUR ANCESTER ARE FROM, and wat gives you the damn right to be telling ppl wat to do i agree with samd u need to start reading more of this so called country of yours and see the facts that your so called gov't is diggin a hole for the whole country and you might be fallin in that hole sooner or later so all i have to say to you is really be mature act your age and be respectful of others because ppl struggled from country to country to find peace and a place to call home thats safe and warm
thats all i got to say and i now im gonna hear from you ranee so lookin forward to see wat you have i love politics and democracy and i LOVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH *:alright:

Samuel
02-18-2005, 09:30 PM
i totally agree with samd, and nahrin, to tell you the truth i love politics i think its awesome and democracy rules. im not american and i thank god because i love the country im living in. but if it wasnt for the damn presidents that ruined our native country we wouldnt even be in these countries so i do agree with nahrin i really feel for the soliders and i feel for their families but i have no heart or remours for any other ppl because wat happens to the american ppl is a reflection of the peoples view of them around the world mainly focused on their gov't and the way it is poorly run because of the moran that is in charge rite now but thats another story. but for this girl ranee im sry to say this but u need to grow up ur an adult and ur telling ppl to go back and leave your *country . wake up and smell the roses ITS NOT YOUR COUNTRY UR A CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY YOUR COUNTRY IS THE ONE WHERE YOUR ANCESTER ARE FROM, and wat gives you the damn right to be telling ppl wat to do i agree with samd u need to start reading more of this so called country of yours and see the facts that your so called gov't is diggin a hole for the whole country and you might be fallin in that hole sooner or later so all i have to say to you is really be mature act your age and be respectful of others because ppl struggled from country to country to find peace and a place to call home thats safe and warm
thats all i got to say and i now im gonna hear from you ranee so lookin forward to see wat you have i love politics and democracy and i LOVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH *:alright:

:) *

but personally, i'm not a proponent of democracy.... It gives people a voice who otherwise aren't worthy.

GreenEyeZchal705
02-22-2005, 08:28 PM
Is that all he needs? *I will forward him a check tomorrow.