Why do Chaldeans remain obscure outside of MI?

[KoolEug1981]

Few people know what Chaldeans are outside of MI, and even fewer Chaldeans are cognizant of this fact. *Can some explain to me why this is the case. *

I personally have my own take on this. *But I won't post my analysis until I hear something from u guys.

[missbaghdad]

Well in the areas that we have a community like San Diego and Detroit and also the Assyrian communities in Chicago and Modesto, everyone knows Chaldeans. I think that little has been done (internally) to get recognition for the Chaldean Community in this country. People have to work very hard to get an ethnic group recognized, respected, and acknowledged in this country.

Plus, compared to other ethnicities we aren't that large in numbers. There are bejillions of Indians or Mexicans in this country. How many Chaldeans are in America?

[renee]

Maybe we move away from those areas to be obscure? *:think:

[UmiSayz]

How many Chaldeans are in America?


Not many. Same goes for worldwide. *:|

[KoolEug1981]

Several factors contribute to that. *For the most part, Chaldeans never campaigned vigirously to promote their culture. *In addition, Chaldeans showed no desire to fund institutions that educate others about the culture. *This is the difference between us and Armenians. *Many affluent Armenians used their wealth to fund instuitions that promote their cause (for example, Manoogian) Armenians'penchant for educating others about their culture had far-reaching implications: almost everybody knows about the Armenian genocide. *Chaldeans have a tendancy to be complacent about such issues. *They never bothered to fund these types of programs. *

There are of course political reasons as well. *Chaldeans are a small Christian minority that never really had political representation in Iraq. *They were, for the most part, marginialized and neglected by the nationlist Baathist regime. *Many villages in N. Iraq were left underdeveloped. *Plus, as a minority, Chaldeans never had the means to disseminate notions that promote their cause.

I also attribute this to the lack of nationalist instituitions that advocate the cause of Chaldeans. *But this is a very complicated topic , and at this point *I don't feel like discussing it. *But if anyone has a keen interest in learning how nationalism plays an important role, PM me. *I would be more than happy to explain

[SamIAM™]

we just built a cultural center in west bloomfield @ Shenandoah Country Club . Its very nice, you should all visit it. they also hold classes that are adminstered by the church.

[caz]

ok i kind of agree with u that we dont do much here, but as far as i go, when i am asked "wat r u" and reply "assyrian" if they do not know u bet ur bottoms they get a history lesson with caz one on one lol

i lived in europe all my life ive lived in Greece, paris, England, so i have seen our culture and how far they've come *

my aunt shes my dads relative she lives in paris shes well known around the world in affiliation with the recognition and support to provide aid to all surayi in iraq and around the world that are in need, it takes one person at a time, i mean we still have ppl that are trying to get up on their feet, from all the struggle they have over come *:| *

so i agree with u guys, and lets not forget the division we have between callin ourselves "chaldeans" or "assyrians" that doesn't help one bit when ppl dont know their history and talk too much and wont bother to educate themselves *:no no:

[KoolEug1981]

We should not embroil ourselves in this denominational politics. *Syriacs ( I am a Syriac)/Assyrians/Chaldeans are the same people. *We are the indiginous people of Iraq. We are the heirs of the great Mesopotamian civilizations of Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, and Babylon. * At the same time we have to realize that the conspicuous religious divisions played an ndispensable role in undermining our unity. *Needless to say, I place the blame on both the Assyrians and Chaldeans (since there are not a lot of Syriacs) for not doing enough to further our cause.
Lets not forget the role nationalism plays in preserving cultural norms and modes of expression pertinent to particular culture. *But this topic is very convulted and I don't have the energy to discuss it at length.

[KoolEug1981]

I think that the Assyrians did their role in excerbating the schism between them and Chaldeans. *Most of the Assyrians I have interacted with seem to be ethnocenteric. *So ethnocentric to the point of displaying disdain for those who don't speak Syriac. *I myself been signlaed out by Assyrians for not speaking Syriac. *This is the primary reason why most of my friends are either Chaldean or Armenian.

[Kikhwa]

I think that the Assyrians did their role in excerbating the schism between them and Chaldeans. *Most of the Assyrians I have interacted with seem to be ethnocenteric. *So ethnocentric to the point of displaying disdain for those who don't speak Syriac. *I myself been signlaed out by Assyrians for not speaking Syriac. *This is the primary reason why most of my friends are either Chaldean or Armenian.

Although I consider the terms Chaldean, Assyrian and Syriac interchangeable, I do identify myself as Assyrian when asked. *There's a great deal of emphasis put on knowing the language because our history has been one of oppression, especially recent history. *So naturally, whatever is forcably taken away from someone, that's the one thing they cling to the most. *I have witnessed the arrogance and fervent nationalism in the Assyrian community. *Many minorities need that to survive. *Maybe that explains the obscurity of the Chaldeans in the rest of the world. *

Hope this doesn't sound like an excuse for rude behavior because it isn't.

[dlchaldo79]

Several factors contribute to that. *For the most part, Chaldeans never campaigned vigirously to promote their culture. *In addition, Chaldeans showed no desire to fund institutions that educate others about the culture. *This is the difference between us and Armenians. *Many affluent Armenians used their wealth to fund instuitions that promote their cause (for example, Manoogian) Armenians'penchant for educating others about their culture had far-reaching implications: almost everybody knows about the Armenian genocide. *Chaldeans have a tendancy to be complacent about such issues. *They never bothered to fund these types of programs. *

There are of course political reasons as well. *Chaldeans are a small Christian minority that never really had political representation in Iraq. *They were, for the most part, marginialized and neglected by the nationlist Baathist regime. *Many villages in N. Iraq were left underdeveloped. *Plus, as a minority, Chaldeans never had the means to disseminate notions that promote their cause.

I also attribute this to the lack of nationalist instituitions that advocate the cause of Chaldeans. *But this is a very complicated topic , and at this point *I don't feel like discussing it. *But if anyone has a keen interest in learning how nationalism plays an important role, PM me. *I would be more than happy to explain


ua lookin for a donation home slice.dont step in here an act political.bottom line is we will have our time.we r a step behind the jews.we will rise and be known.we r a lil tiny smudge in the u.s. at present time.we r known to be the richest minority in the country.anyone know how many armenians live in the u.s????.anyways whats it gonna matter if we get known.our culture is hit.the next generation wont even have any respect,honor,morals,family values like our parents tryed showing us.the chaldean guys allow others to walk all over them.the chaldean girls r like lil hookers bangin guys of other race so they can still claim there virgins an chit.not all but many.when the worlds finds out who we r,our shining culture will be past tense.i was born and raised here.my heart wont will never be fulfilled without a chaldean girl on my side.my children will learn to speak sureth first and will have the respect and honor of our true ancestors

[UmiSayz]

*We are the heirs of the great Mesopotamian civilizations of Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, and Babylon. *



You know you can stop spreading that bullshit already. Who gives a shit if we were the "first civilization" on earth? What does that benifits you or any Iraqi? Im sure 5 billion plus ppl in the world cares about it. :roll:

[an]

In michigan if you go north of great lakes crossing no one knows what chaldeans are.


I think you need to start with your state before you think of world wide recongnition.

[BONO]

for a culture that doesn't have a country, I give Chaldeans a lot of credit for having their name recognized among the top world leaders, and countries.

[SamIAM™]

*We are the heirs of the great Mesopotamian civilizations of Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, and Babylon. *



You know you can stop spreading that bullshit already. Who gives a shit if we were the "first civilization" on earth? What does that benifits you or any Iraqi? Im sure 5 billion plus ppl in the world cares about it. :roll:


1st, that was not BS, 2nd if you dont give a shit, why give ur very intelegent comment *:roll:

[UmiSayz]

1st, that was not BS, 2nd if you dont give a shit, why give ur very intelegent comment *:roll:


Ok you know how many times i've heard it here on this site and through others i know? Its like you guys talk about it like we deserve something for being the first civilization. Nobody cares believe me. We do not benifit anything from it at all. Just so you know the Abbassids are the ones the ppl recognize throughout the history lessons in school. I dont really need to tell you why. When i say bullshit i didn't mean like its not true. Its just an expression of me saying who gives a flying **** about who was here first. And you spelled INTELLIGENT wrong.

[SamIAM™]

Its just an expression of me saying who gives a flying **** about who was here first. *


why dont u make a poll on that *:bang:

[UmiSayz]

Do it then!

[pfizzle]

:eh:

[Anonymous]

Wow! Interesting to say the least.

[KoolEug1981]

I bring these issues to people's attention because I am greatly concerned. *I do agree that Chaldeans have made great strides towards earning recongnition. *But we have to do more. *Like I have stated before, the religious schisms played an important role in undermining the unity of our people. *Plus, as a minorty without a homeland, we lacked the means to dissmeniate notions that promote our cullture. *Our number is diminishing becuase of the ultra-nationalist policies of the Kurds. *Lets not forget that a substianal amount were massacred by the Kurds and the Turks at the turn of the 20th century. *But few people know that, and we need to advertise it so that we can gain recognition.

[Anonymous]

KoolEug, what happened to Kurdistan by the way? It seems that both the Kurds and the Chaldeans got screwed out of a homeland in Iraq. Also, just who are the Kurds?

[renee]

*We are the heirs of the great Mesopotamian civilizations of Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, and Babylon. *



You know you can stop spreading that bullshit already. Who gives a shit if we were the "first civilization" on earth? What does that benifits you or any Iraqi? Im sure 5 billion plus ppl in the world cares about it. :roll:

Exactly what have we done lately. Oh wait, I remember. If not for Chaldeans, blacks in Detroit wouldn't be able to buy beer.

[missbaghdad]

*For the most part, Chaldeans never campaigned vigirously to promote their culture. *
There are of course political reasons as well. *Chaldeans are a small Christian minority that never really had political representation in Iraq. *They were, for the most part, marginialized and neglected by the nationlist Baathist regime. *Many villages in N. Iraq were left underdeveloped. *Plus, as a minority, Chaldeans never had the means to disseminate notions that promote their cause.


ua lookin for a donation home slice.dont step in here an act political.bottom line is we will have our time.we r a step behind the jews.we will rise and be known.we r a lil tiny smudge in the u.s. at present time.we r known to be the richest minority in the country.anyone know how many armenians live in the u.s????.anyways whats it gonna matter if we get known.our culture is hit.the next generation wont even have any respect,honor,morals,family values like our parents tryed showing us.the chaldean guys allow others to walk all over them.the chaldean girls r like lil hookers bangin guys of other race so they can still claim there virgins an chit.not all but many.when the worlds finds out who we r,our shining culture will be past tense.i was born and raised here.my heart wont will never be fulfilled without a chaldean girl on my side.my children will learn to speak sureth first and will have the respect and honor of our true ancestors

Kool Eug you are absolutely right about the points that you made. But dlchaldo79, it is political because you have to campaign, you have to promote, and you have to use public relations to your advantage. If you want to be recognized, you have to put yourself out there. There are very few people in our community that are doing that.

I respect and admire what you said about loving our culture. But it doesn't help if Chaldeans are justwealthy if they don't put their money towards promoting the cause and interests that serve the community. *It takes a lot of work in many different fields including politics, community, culture, education, entertainment, academia, etc.

[missbaghdad]

by the way we have a Chaldean who served several years in the US Government... Wadie Deddeh was a California Senator

:-)

[Samuel]

by the way we have a Chaldean who served several years in the US Government... Wadie Deddeh was a California Senator

:-)


That's my Dad's first cousin. *His son, Peter Deddeh is a Superior Court judge in San Diego. *

Anyway. *I'd like to add to this topic by saying... The only thing this forum had to offer...intellectually...left when Ice Cream Man stopped posting.

[renee]

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Anyway. *I'd like to add to this topic by saying... The only thing this forum had to offer...intellectually...left when Ice Cream Man stopped posting.

Give me a break. * :bang:

[missbaghdad]

^^what??^^

[UmiSayz]

^^what??^^

Samd has family that are in politics.

[Teffo]

^^what??^^

Samd has family that are in politics.

yea, and his uncle is a senator in california...i met him to prove it! :alright: