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renee
06-15-2005, 11:45 PM
Schiavo Autopsy Shows Massive Brain Damage By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer
23 minutes ago



LARGO, Fla. - The autopsy of * * Terri Schiavo backed her husband's contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding she was severely and irreversibly brain-damaged and blind as well. The report, released Wednesday, also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused before she collapsed.


Yet medical examiners could not say for certain what caused her sudden 1990 collapse, long thought to have been brought on by an eating disorder.

The findings vindicated Michael Schiavo in his long and vitriolic battle with his in-laws, who insisted her condition was not hopeless and suggested that their daughter was the victim of violence by their son-in-law.

In its report, the medical examiner's office cast doubt on both the abuse and eating disorder theory.

The autopsy results on the 41-year-old woman were made public more than two months after Schiavo died of dehydration on March 31 following the removal of her feeding tube 13 days earlier. The death ended an extraordinary right-to-die battle that engulfed the courts, Congress and the White House.

The autopsy showed that Schiavo's brain had shrunk to about half the normal size for a woman her age and that it bore signs of severe damage.

"This damage was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons," said Pinellas-Pasco County Medical Examiner Dr. Jon Thogmartin, who led the autopsy team. He also said she was blind, because the "vision centers of her brain were dead."

George Felos, attorney for Michael Schiavo, said the findings back up their contentions made "for years and years" that Terri Schiavo had no hope of recovery. He said Michael Schiavo plans to release autopsy photographs of her shrunken brain.

"Mr. Schiavo has received so much criticism throughout this case that I'm certain there's a part of him that was pleased to hear these results and the hard science behind them," Felos said.

Nevertheless, attorney David Gibbs III said Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, continue to believe she was not in a vegetative state and questioned the conclusion that she was blind.

The finding that she was blind counters a widely seen videotape released by her parents of Terri Schiavo in her hospice bed. The video showed Schiavo appearing to turn toward her mother's voice and smile. She moaned and laughed. Her head moved up and down and she seemed to follow the progress of a brightly colored Mickey Mouse balloon.

The parents said the video that showed she was aware of her surroundings, but doctors said her reactions were automatic responses and not evidence of consciousness.

In Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the autopsy did nothing to change * * President Bush's position that Schiavo's feeding tube should not have been disconnected. He had signed a bill, rushed through by Congress in March, in a last-ditch effort to restore her feeding tube.

Thogmartin also said Schiavo would not have been able to eat or drink if given food by mouth as the Schindlers wanted after the tube was removed. In fact, he said, she might easily have choked to death if such feedings had been tried.

"Removal of her feeding tube would have resulted in her death whether she was fed or hydrated by mouth or not," Thogmartin told reporters.

The autopsy included 274 external and internal body images and an exhaustive review of Terri Schiavo's medical records, police reports and social services agency records.

Thogmartin said that the autopsy produced no conclusion on what triggered the temporary heart stoppage that caused her collapse and brain damage. He said there was no evidence of drug use, though he cautioned that Schiavo was not tested in 1990 for every conceivable substance that could have been in her blood.

He said there was no proof she suffered from an eating disorder such as bulimia, which can disrupt the body chemistry with lethal effect. The main piece of evidence cited for an eating disorder — the low levels of potassium in her blood in 1990 — could have been caused by the emergency treatment she received at the time, Thogmartin said.

While she had lost more than 100 pounds since high school, Schiavo never confessed to an eating disorder, she did not take diet pills and no one had witnessed her purging food, the medical examiner said.

He also discounted the possibility that she had overdosed on caffeine from drinking large amounts of tea in an effort to keep her weight down.

The cause of death was ruled dehydration from removal of the feeding tube, but the underlying reason for her brain damage was officially listed as "undetermined."

In addition, the autopsy found no traces of morphine in her system at her death, although she had been given two doses in the days before she died. The Schindlers had contended that morphine might have been used to speed their daughter's death.

The Schindlers fought their son-in-law in court over their daughter's fate for nearly seven years, battling to the end with conservatives at their side. Michael Schiavo said his wife never would have wanted to be kept alive artificially in such a condition.

Courts repeatedly rejected extraordinary attempts at intervention by Florida lawmakers, Gov. Jeb Bush, Congress and the president on behalf of her parents.

Experts said that the autopsy demonstrates how difficult it is for people to recover from severe brain damage.

"People should understand that sometimes, for known or unknown reasons, individuals sustain massive brain injury that for which healing is not possible," said Dr. Karen Weidenheim, the chief of neuropathology at Montefiore Medical Center in New York. "Everything that could have been done was done for this lady for 15 years, and this case is very tragic."

Teffo
06-15-2005, 11:46 PM
see and ppl were insulting me

renee
06-15-2005, 11:48 PM
I said from the beginning she was a cucumber.

FirePup
06-15-2005, 11:52 PM
This whole thing is just sad, *Terry died 15 years ago.

renee
06-15-2005, 11:56 PM
exactly *but most people who post here fell into the catholic thing and wouldn't recognize that.

caz
06-15-2005, 11:57 PM
woow, man, now we know though how stupid couldnt they have done these tests while she was alive to show proof that there was no point of her livin under those conditions all these yrs when she could have been restin at peace *:roll:

Teffo
06-16-2005, 12:01 AM
renee...even though i am catholic i always felt that what they were doing to that woman was so wrong! *they should have let her soul go to her created instead of leaving her on earth for what freakin purpose? *to satisfy their selfish wants and needs....wtffffffffff

renee
06-16-2005, 12:02 AM
woow, man, now we know though how stupid couldnt they have done these tests while she was alive to show proof that there was no point of her livin under those conditions all these yrs when she could have been restin at peace *:roll:

there were tests but people didn't want to believe them. it's hard to do an autopsy when someone is still breathing.

caz
06-16-2005, 12:14 AM
woow, man, now we know though how stupid couldnt they have done these tests while she was alive to show proof that there was no point of her livin under those conditions all these yrs when she could have been restin at peace *:roll:

there were tests but people didn't want to believe them. it's hard to do an autopsy when someone is still breathing.

yeah it is hard renee thanks hehe lool

but i *mean brain waves tests, or the scan of her whole brain those would have been things they could have told ppl about but didnt i guess, their stupid man *:no no:

RaNoOoBiE420
06-16-2005, 12:18 AM
finally. . .some truth, everyone insulted me for saying she was a vegetable. . .i knew it!

Kikhwa
06-16-2005, 01:21 AM
Sometimes the most humane thing to do is the one that the church argues most loudly against.

Renee for Pope Benedict XVII in 2006!

Crystal
06-16-2005, 01:36 AM
i also considered her a vegetable....i mean damn 15 years...she could have been resting that whole time....god rest her soul....and as always...religion and science never mix...

Samuel
06-16-2005, 02:44 AM
Oh Bible Thumpers. *Where Art Thou?

Rita
06-17-2005, 11:31 AM
I'm sorry but I still don't agree. No one knows why she had collapsed because it has been so long. The only thing that saddens me is that her autopsy didn't happen earlier so they would know the real reason. Also, her husband had the authority to have these tests taken when she was alive but for some reason they were never administered. My argument was that she should have and could have possibly been helped if these exams were taken 15 years ago. Instead, her husband did nothing and gave her no chance of survival or hope.

If you go back and read my arguments, you will notice that I DID call what they will say died form exactly: DEHYDRATION!!! Many of you are arguing the fact that she became blind & trying to find justice in her death by that. Does that mean you are unworthy and should die if you are blind? Also, feeding tubes were made specifically for people who are not able to swallow. Does this mean whenever you are put on a feeding tube, you have no reason to live?

I guess no one will ever know the true affect that this can have on you and will not be able to understand everything until (God forbid) this happens to someone in your family or one of your friends. Maybe this is why it is so hard on me. I know what it is like and how extremely important it is to have tests administered, physical therapy, medicine, taking risks, etc. really is.

SamIAM™
06-17-2005, 11:36 AM
they should'f killed her with lethal injection 15 years ago

John_5_24
06-17-2005, 12:37 PM
Oh, why don't you people read for yourselves. *Was her brain detiorated (sp?), no doubt about it, but that doesn't mean she didn't know what was happening. *The ME's own report said "The frontal temporal and temporal poles and insular-cortex demonstrated relative preservation." *These are the areas where cognetive funtion is located, so you people are in no way vindicated by this report no matter what slant the media is placing on it!

Rita
06-17-2005, 12:58 PM
thanx John

sammiedebull
06-17-2005, 01:04 PM
I agree with rita.

sammiedebull
06-17-2005, 01:06 PM
I guess its payday for him :)

also the aguement was did he have the right to kill her or give permission to kill her if it was not on paper?

anyhow, go back and read the thread to see what the real arguements are. I think with Gods miracles and abilities anything is possible as long as you dont give up!!!

Look at the fire fighter who wokr up after like 10 years, i bet most of you would have said Fudge it, put him to death or sleep and it will be over.

"Never give up, never ever give up!!!"

-Jimmy V

Hadeer
06-18-2005, 05:47 PM
Excuse my language but Shut the **** up Renee. Honestly, you didn't know any more than us and when the truth came out, you decide to shove it in anyone's face for your personal gratification.

Loser.

maxpower
06-18-2005, 06:07 PM
caaaaaaaaaaaaaat fight.. hell yea *:rambo: *:firing: