Saddam and what he done to us

[maximus]

saddam is smart for wat he did to us. i firstly like to say we should of agotiate with him little by little and secondly we should of not rushed right away to get him because look at our economy now? he screwed our economy in our heads and we wernt thinking tsk tsk


anyways im just bored and was talking bout this other day with sum people so dont worry bout this thread lol

[missbaghdad]

can you elaborate?

[UmiSayz]

I have no idea what hes talkin about.

[sammiedebull]

actually the economy is starting to rebound, investments are up, housing is doing great, basically the only problem i see with the economy is oil but it is normal for oil to go up in the summer months.

[UmiSayz]

actually the economy is starting to rebound, investments are up, housing is doing great, basically the only problem i see with the economy is oil but it is normal for oil to go up in the summer months.

According to some...its still a hell hole there and nothing is goin right. How are the housing are doing "great" when its at risk of getting blown up again? Doesn't make sense. Violence is high and that hurts the economy in many ways cause of fear.

[missbaghdad]

are you guys talking about the same country? I think sammie is talking about the USA and sammy is talking about Iraq

[sammiedebull]

I am talking about the USA. No idea what he is talking about. The iraqi economy has amazing potential, we just need those darn sunnis to stop blowing everything up in sight, its crazy what they are doing, you lost control no get over it!!!

[Anichka]

i dont like saddam, he is an evil guy.... :no no: *:disgusted:

[pfizzle]

^ Read this monthes GQ magazine, they have an article about when saddam was in his jail cell, and a gaurd was keeping diary about saddam.

[ojeen1981]

When studying the landscpae of Iraq, you see that its a country with vast amt of oil riches along with many other natural resoucrs and a population of about 23 million. *its obvious that for Iraq to rebound is very easy to do. *however, in the economic and political globe, for iraq to do so they need to adopt an economical system and a stable goverment. *to do this is very very hard.

[UmiSayz]

I am talking about the USA. No idea what he is talking about. The iraqi economy has amazing potential, we just need those darn sunnis to stop blowing everything up in sight, its crazy what they are doing, you lost control no get over it!!!


You know what...you weren't bein specific on your first post and you are really starting to piss me off with that Sunni bullshit. Dont get me started on Shias. Got it? Asshole.

[sammiedebull]

calm down, you can't take a joke? also in reality and the situation on the ground, the sunnis are the ones screwing up Iraq, it is what it is so please don't deny it. I cant remmeber the last time a kurd, shia, or chaldean cuased havoc in Iraq.

Please remind me.

[CaliChaldeanBoy]

Saddam can suck my cock!!

[ojeen1981]

lmaooooooo calichaldeanboy

its not the sunni nor the shitties who are "screwing" up Iraq. *why would a people who are from a land would want their own country to be chaotic. *whats going on in iraq is what would happen to any country with its political landscpae. *you got a country with diverse groups of people, different ethnic backgrounds with different political visions. *ITs a struggle of power and all you have to do is ignite this in the right way, something the west have been notorious for doing doing so well. *you guys are doing the mistake that the external forces want u to commit, to place the finger on others and blame them, this is not how to solve the problem of beloved iraq. *Iraq, as it was under my hero Qassem, needs to unite under one umberlla of political ideology that preaches the ultimate well being of the country as one collective entity, and for this to happen, well it will take time

[UmiSayz]

calm down, you can't take a joke? also in reality and the situation on the ground, the sunnis are the ones screwing up Iraq, it is what it is so please don't deny it. I cant remmeber the last time a kurd, shia, or chaldean cuased havoc in Iraq.

Please remind me.

You keep bringin up Sunnis like we're some kind of evil ppl. I'm tired of this sunni vs shia shit. Dont bring it up. Sunnis are fighting because they're being treated unfairly and they're being left out of the gov't. Chaldean/Assyrian ppl have no reason to fight in Iraq. As long as there's peace thats all they care about. *Kurds? They've been causing havoc long before the U.S. invaded Iraq. Talbanis ppl went against the Kurdish terror group in the north. For years they've been fighting till ONE DAY Talbani asked Saddam for help. SO Saddam sent his army and destroyed the kurdish Terror group. So he did Talbani a favor. Why do you think hes against excuting Saddam? Shias caused many troubles. Lets start in the south. PPL travel to kuwait and they always get robbed by bandits who happens to be shia. Thats why Saddam cut off the water in the marsh. Also the CIA used the Shias during the Gulf War to go against Saddams gov't and that you're betraying you're country with Americans. Its all punishment not hatred.

[maximus]

POSTIVE THINGS ABOUT WAR:

1)test new weapons (my favorite)
2)Get oil (Bush denies it)
3)Shows that we give countrys chance for dem. country of etc
4)not to many muslim left lol
5)Hitler was here today with our technology he would be leader of the world

NEGATIVE:
1)lost people for stupit war that should of happened 91'
2)tax
3)this thread becoming senceless

[Samuel]

POSTIVE THINGS ABOUT WAR:

1)test new weapons (my favorite)
2)Get oil (Bush denies it)
3)Shows that we give countrys chance for dem. country of etc
4)not to many muslim left lol
5)Hitler was here today with our technology he would be leader of the world

NEGATIVE:
1)lost people for stupit war that should of happened 91'
2)tax
3)this thread becoming senceless


1)Yea. *Testing weapons is fun. *I wonder what it would be like to see Maximus blown to ash. *NEAT SHIT! *:roll: *:disgusted: *:roll: * So your grammar makes you sound 10. *But when one digs deeper into your post, you just sound stupid.

2)good point.

3)makes about as much sense as using a pixelized unscaled, green tinted avatar of yourself.

4)hahahaahah!!! *Not! *look at #1.

5)great. *so now our standard of a humanitarian is Hitler. *:roll: *You're making my head hurt. *:bang:

Negative?

1)It did happen in 91'. *We just had to cease fire because Bush's economy was going to shit, and he wanted to get reelected. *Look up the word "politics."

2)tax? *what the hell does that mean? *no, butter! *Bush keeps cutting taxes for the Ken Lays of the world. *Is that what you meant?

3)Thanks to you, it was senseless from its conception. *You great agotiator, you!

[Senalko]

calm down, you can't take a joke? also in reality and the situation on the ground, the sunnis are the ones screwing up Iraq, it is what it is so please don't deny it. I cant remmeber the last time a kurd, shia, or chaldean cuased havoc in Iraq.

Please remind me.

You keep bringin up Sunnis like we're some kind of evil ppl. I'm tired of this sunni vs shia shit. Dont bring it up. Sunnis are fighting because they're being treated unfairly and they're being left out of the gov't. Chaldean/Assyrian ppl have no reason to fight in Iraq. As long as there's peace thats all they care about. *Kurds? They've been causing havoc long before the U.S. invaded Iraq. Talbanis ppl went against the Kurdish terror group in the north. For years they've been fighting till ONE DAY Talbani asked Saddam for help. SO Saddam sent his army and destroyed the kurdish Terror group. So he did Talbani a favor. Why do you think hes against excuting Saddam? Shias caused many troubles. Lets start in the south. PPL travel to kuwait and they always get robbed by bandits who happens to be shia. Thats why Saddam cut off the water in the marsh. Also the CIA used the Shias during the Gulf War to go against Saddams gov't and that you're betraying you're country with Americans. Its all punishment not hatred.


What a load of Rubbish, the kind of Rubbish we were used to hear from Typical Sunni's ( Aka Saddam lovers)....

f*** Bastards, they rape our country for 30 years and they have the guts to talk and talk useless trash...

[ojeen1981]

1) yes, thats why the droped the atomic bombs on hirshoma and nagisaki, to show their power to the Soveits, not to force surrender of japan

2) yes, Bush denies it becuase he is a politician, he is not gonna tell u their plan stright to your face, The Prnice my Mackiv. great book to read.

3)your jokin right?? democracy comes within the people, not from the outside.

4) not sure what u mean by this????

5) *hitler had a different vision and was a smart guy, yea he was "evil" but the guy understood how to mobilize the masses and learned things like "facists" ideologies so quick and was able to utlize it very fast. *Am not sure what u r trying to say, but i dont see the connection of hitler with this whole thing.

[ojeen1981]

its not the sunni nor the shitties who are "screwing" up Iraq. *why would a people who are from a land would want their own country to be chaotic. *whats going on in iraq is what would happen to any country with its political landscpae. *you got a country with diverse groups of people, different ethnic backgrounds with different political visions. *ITs a struggle of power and all you have to do is ignite this in the right way, something the west have been notorious for doing doing so well. *you guys are doing the mistake that the external forces want u to commit, to place the finger on others and blame them, this is not how to solve the problem of beloved iraq. *Iraq, as it was under my hero Qassem, needs to unite under one umberlla of political ideology that preaches the ultimate well being of the country as one collective entity, and for this to happen, well it will take time

[UmiSayz]

What a load of Rubbish, the kind of Rubbish we were used to hear from Typical Sunni's ( Aka Saddam lovers)....

f*** Bastards, they rape our country for 30 years and they have the guts to talk and talk useless trash...


And you're just another "christian" who bashes on muslims. Get at me ...

[Senalko]

What a load of Rubbish, the kind of Rubbish we were used to hear from Typical Sunni's ( Aka Saddam lovers)....

f*** Bastards, they rape our country for 30 years and they have the guts to talk and talk useless trash...


And you're just another "christian" who bashes on muslims. Get at me ...

As a matter of Fact, i am an Athiest... When u are dealing with thugs like Saddam, Religion becomes a no issue, cuase Saddam punished every religion there was in iraq, so as long as there are sick people like you who continue to support him and come up with facts that are plain sea of lies, then u will be hit on

if u honestly had any respect for all the mothers that had their sons killed, and their daughters raped and still do by your sunni Clans, u would have at least kept your love for them to yourself, but u abviously live a double Standard kind of life , just like them cuase if u dont even acknolwege the horrific Crimes that your people have commited against the iraqi people, then u have got to be living yourself in Denial......You can do that and convince few people, but your not goona go anywhere against people who lived there and know the truth better than u do :)

[ojeen1981]

This is not about religion, I could care less of Saddam was sunni, shittie, or what ever, the man is a dumb ass. *The only thing that hirt iraq is the stupidity of Saddam and the ambition of the west to seize control over this oil rich area of the world. many Sunnis and Shittis did not support Saddam, but they shut their mouth because Saddam ruled with fear. *Yes many sunnis jumped on the band wagon with saddam, but that’s because outta fear, not because they agree with his stupid political visions. *Shitties, however, since they were oppressed by Saddam, and since they make a larger population, they were able to give Saddam a hard time in the realm of politics. *Bottom line is this, don’t matter who u are and what you are, if u kept your mouth shut and not say anything, saddam wount mess with u. *If you open your mouth, well your done for!

[Randel]

This is not about religion, I could care less of Saddam was sunni, shittie, or what ever, the man is a dumb ass. *The only thing that hirt iraq is the stupidity of Saddam and the ambition of the west to seize control over this oil rich area of the world. many Sunnis and Shittis did not support Saddam, but they shut their mouth because Saddam ruled with fear. *Yes many sunnis jumped on the band wagon with saddam, but that’s because outta fear, not because they agree with his stupid political visions. *Shitties, however, since they were oppressed by Saddam, and since they make a larger population, they were able to give Saddam a hard time in the realm of politics. *Bottom line is this, don’t matter who u are and what you are, if u kept your mouth shut and not say anything, saddam wount mess with u. *If you open your mouth, well your done for!


:applause: *:applause: *:applause:

[UmiSayz]

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As a matter of Fact, i am an Athiest... When u are dealing with thugs like Saddam, Religion becomes a no issue, cuase Saddam punished every religion there was in iraq, so as long as there are sick people like you who continue to support him and come up with facts that are plain sea of lies, then u will be hit on

if u honestly had any respect for all the mothers that had their sons killed, and their daughters raped and still do by your sunni Clans, u would have at least kept your love for them to yourself, but u abviously live a double Standard kind of life , just like them cuase if u dont even acknolwege the horrific Crimes that your people have commited against the iraqi people, then u have got to be living yourself in Denial......You can do that and convince few people, but your not goona go anywhere against people who lived there and know the truth better than u do :)


You dont know me and so therefore you can't say shit. I bust back on your ignorant statement on Sunni calling us "saddam lovers." Eye for an eye bitch. You're only stating your OPINION on his gov't cause you dont like it. I'm stating MY OPINION cause I agree with him. So you goin to bash on me cause of that? I do feel bad for ppl that has been killed but i'm sure theres a story behind the killings. Could it be that they were criminals? Oh gosh! I hate Bush with a passion but do i go on bashing the "bush lovers?" NO! Everyone has there opinion and have different views about everyone. Such an idiot think'n you know me and my fam. I dont give 2 shits about you living there. You think i dont have family there? I have lots ...both shia and sunnis you dumb ****. We always keep in touch so eat shit.

[ojeen1981]

u know umi, i respect your positions on this...but i have been after u for so long to give me some objective political and historical reasons for why u like saddam...?? plz give me some..thanks much brotha

[Anonymous]

Enough With This Stupid Iraq Talking..let It R.i.p For Now

Goshhhhhhhh

Im Sick Of Hearing Things About Iraq...it Makes Me Wanna Cry :(

[UmiSayz]

u know umi, i respect your positions on this...but i have been after u for so long to give me some objective political and historical reasons for why u like saddam...?? plz give me some..thanks much brotha


I dont have to give my reasons for it. You and I are from different religions so therefore its hard to compromise to reach an agreement between you and I. No offense to ANYONE here but i'm not goin to take anyone who is not a muslim to criticize a muslim. I'd just rather save the arguement. Like AndySwifey said...its gone. Whats done is done. Its in God's hands now. You guys judge Saddam sayin oh hes goin to hell. Like you guys have that position to say something so stupid like that? As a muslim if we ask for forgiveness we would recieve mercy. It just pisses me off someone like Sammiedebull criticize the muslims aka sunnis and Senalko that goomba lookin ****head to say "oh u sunnis are a bunch of Saddam lovers." His statement was pretty ignorant dont you think?

[Senalko]

Umi, if there is anyone who is stupid enough to make statments that are truly laughable at, its U....

I have no respect for people like you nor your opinions, cuase like your fellow Saddam Lovers, You demonstrate no Humanity nor Sympathy for those who suffered, and u always try to Twist the Truth to make u look inoccent....

I am not sitting here and giving u an opinion.... When it comes to Saddam and what he has done to alot of us, that doesnt become an Opinionyo F*** Dumb ass, it becomes a Fact... what i stated werent opinions, they were Facts.... Facts that did happen to us.... So get this straight into your Thick head.....

I do regret not knowing u, cuase if i did know u, i would have Bashed the hell out of you, Why are u in a chtisitian Forum anyways?? who needs a Moron Muslem like you??

GET this right Dickhead, your people Raped my sisters and my mothers and Ruined all our Lives, so go take your irogance and pathetic Excuses and go shove it up your Ass, YOU ****ing Criminal......

[ojeen1981]

umi, dude, are u serious bro???? so i take it that u think Saddam is a devot muslim than???

[ojeen1981]

umi, this is not about islam nor christianty. *I have studied Islam, and ill be the first person to tell u that neither saddam nor bush are men of faith. *U as a muslim, or me as a christian, can certainly cristize others like saddam. *I am critizing his political visions, not his faith bro. *u need to be way more objective man...this is not helping at all

[UmiSayz]

I do regret not knowing u, cuase if i did know u, i would have Bashed the hell out of you, Why are u in a chtisitian Forum anyways??






Oh so now you're threatening me all the from australia? Funny stuff. You're the one whos bein ignorant. Name callings is all you got bro. This is a public forum and you dont have to be a christian to join.




who needs a Moron Muslem like you??








There you have it folks...his true colors came out. *:applause:

[UmiSayz]

umi, this is not about islam nor christianty. *I have studied Islam, and ill be the first person to tell u that neither saddam nor bush are men of faith. *U as a muslim, or me as a christian, can certainly cristize others like saddam. *I am critizing his political visions, not his faith bro. *u need to be way more objective man...this is not helping at all


I wasn't accusing anyone about JUDGING his faith but most ppl who view Saddam are judging his faith. Thats why I bought it up. When ppl say hes goin to hell...i bought faith into it. I was the one who bought it up because of that. You need to "study" Islam carefully. Since you said Jesus in Islam is coming back for the End Days to JUDGE us.

[Senalko]

LOOOOOOOOOL True Colours?

you make it Sound as if the truth is tossed up between you and me, and people here are so naive that they can not actually see or tell what saddam is, or what islam is... So Give me a Break... people like you should be locked in a zoo with all your scums that u defend.......


Your opinions are beyond a joke for any decent, mature person to read.... every inch of your opinions about this topic reminds me of all the propoganda that they used to feed us at school.....


your so called Islam is doing nothing but Destroying Humanity and taking us back 10000 years backwards..... Why do u think iraq or any arabic country for that matter cant go forward???

is it cause of wars? or lack of resources? or lack of Brains?

NO its cuase of your backward Islam that Drives people insane to the point they do Crazy things.....

Your defending of Saddam will never be tolerated, i dont care if this is a public forum or not, people like you are just a shame to our name, our country and what we stood for....

[caz]

umi, this is not about islam nor christianty. *I have studied Islam, and ill be the first person to tell u that neither saddam nor bush are men of faith. *U as a muslim, or me as a christian, can certainly cristize others like saddam. *I am critizing his political visions, not his faith bro. *u need to be way more objective man...this is not helping at all


I wasn't accusing anyone about JUDGING his faith but most ppl who view Saddam are judging his faith. Thats why I bought it up. When ppl say hes goin to hell...i bought faith into it. I was the one who bought it up because of that. You need to "study" Islam carefully. Since you said Jesus in Islam is coming back for the End Days to JUDGE us.

um i can see wat ur tryin to say but plz help me out here, so i understand that u like saddam or at least u support him while he was in power, i wanna know do u think it was moral of him to destory thousands of livies while he was in power for no reason *:think: *just wondering, i mean do u think wat hes gonna get is unfair *:think: that he shouldnt be punished *:roll:

[ojeen1981]

umi, i have studied islam carefuly, trust me, When I hate Saddam, i hate his political ideology, i hate what he has done to Iraq, I dont hate his faith bro. *I am not a closed minded uneducated idiot to go around and hating people based on their faith dude. come on now

[sammiedebull]

Senalko, you are way off, this is not about Islam moron, this is about the ideology and vision of some of these leaders. I do agree that the Sunnis have made Iraq very unstable in its current state. When I say it's not about Islam is because you said they are trying to destroy humanity and take everyone 1000 years back is 100% false and stupid.

You really sound pretty dumb with your comments above. Your comment does not make sense because if it does, than you can say screw china, they are holding to much of our currency, screw India, they are taking away all our jobs, screw North Korea, they are going to try to nuke us. The world is a crazy place and the Middle East is going through a transition and phase. There are a few muslim countries which are going in the right direction such as : Morocco, Lebanon, Algeria, Oman, Bahrain, UAE, etc. Are they perfect? NO. This is a 25-40 year transition which is starting now with the war in Iraq. Sure Saddam was an animal and i support the war to remove him. I also think that Iraq is attracting in all the terrorist and i think we would rather deal with them in Iraq than on the homeland in the USA. If Iraq is a success than it will be very positive for everyone, for the people, for the USA, for the world and most importantly for the Middle East in general.

I would suggest that you do not throw around statements which are baseless and don't make sense.

[Senalko]

Sammie, one Moron makes Two, its amazing how some people talk sitting in their Luxury houses somewhere in Uncle Sam's land, and yet have the guts to defend a bunch of Criminals with passion...

If u read the topic from the start, u would have seen that Urmi Was trying hard to turn this Saddam debate into Religion and make it a Religious hatred kinda of thing based on " Your sunni, your shia2, your Christian" thus thats why u always against me.....

and i think smart people like Ojeen were quick to know that, but isnt it funny that those same bastards in iraq who are killing our people off are trying to turn iraq into a religious civial war?

If u seriously think that the problem in middle east is about the ideology of some of its leaders, then u have got big issues, cuase those leaders dont just come to power and sit there for 50 odd years and rule with dictatorships....

its all to do with the ideology of the people, the ill edcuated people, the people that get brainwashed by extreme islamic Teachings that DOES turn us back 1000 years backwards......Anyone that's lived in iraq can see that and know that.....

Islam is no different from any other religion made on earth, its principles are pretty much the same as christianty and others, But its the way that people are using it, which has so far ruined our Lives, and as long as there are people who are willing to continue to abuse and make up Rules and take the law into their own hands, we can never live in peace...

Until the day people learn to seperate Religion from Politics, There shall never be peace....:)

[sammiedebull]

Basically i was harsh because you made it sound as if the religion as a whole was bad. This is the kind of thinking that we need to get over to move forward. I understand what you are saying above, pesonally i think saddam is a piece of shit criminal, i do NOT hate sunnis, i just think that between them and the shias, they are the ones causing most of the problems behind Islam, put it this way, the Sunnis believe in thier thinking that the shias are just as bad as the jews and christians, some extremists don't even consider them muslims. My point is that the Sunnis have lost power that they enjoyed for 30 years while others suffered and were treated like crap. Now the tables have turned, the Shias and Kurds are now in power but the Sunnis do not want to let this go. The christians/Chaldeans have never really caused problems that i know of in Iraq so I wont comment about them. Now Umi said that Saddam fried out the water and basins because the shias would act as bandits on the border and rob the kuwaitis? Let us not forget who invaded Kuwait UMI, and you can tell me that saddam was influenced to do it, that the USA gave thier blessing, etc but he pulled the trigger, whether he was fooled or not is not relevant in this case.

At the end of the day we all hope for pease but sometimes some people for their personal reasons want to screw it up for the greater good and this is what is happening today in Iraq.

[maximus]

Alright keep it plane and simple. We get use our weapons which was funny :) Hitler was fast thinker who said it early and reason to that group of his scientist where giving him Meth in solid form and eventualy used it liquid form. As you see Hitler in his speeches, youll see how his arm becomes disable and its near by him. (Observe) :twisted:

[Chaldoqt4u2nv]

Saddam's A Great Man!

[missbaghdad]

Now Umi said that Saddam fried out the water and basins because the shias would act as bandits on the border and rob the kuwaitis?

Actually I have heard this before, but I can't remember from where (probably from the movie). What I heard was a tiny bit different, though: members of the resistance against Saddam (likely to be Shiias) would go and hide in the marshes when they were wanted by the Fedayeen. So that is a big reason why he destroyed the marshes. But I'm sure it had to do with the fact that they were mostly inhabited by Shiias. He killed many people and their way of life by destroying the marshes.

There is an entire organization devoted to restoring the marshes: http://www.edenagain.org/

[sammiedebull]

The guy is a criminal, i don't care who backed him, who got him there, how he got there, he is a crime against humaity.

[Senalko]

Now Umi said that Saddam fried out the water and basins because the shias would act as bandits on the border and rob the kuwaitis?

Actually I have heard this before, but I can't remember from where (probably from the movie). What I heard was a tiny bit different, though: members of the resistance against Saddam (likely to be Shiias) would go and hide in the marshes when they were wanted by the Fedayeen. So that is a big reason why he destroyed the marshes. But I'm sure it had to do with the fact that they were mostly inhabited by Shiias. He killed many people and their way of life by destroying the marshes.

There is an entire organization devoted to restoring the marshes: http://www.edenagain.org/

Dear Yasmina, my dad was one of those Scientists in iraq who Sacrifised his life to perserve the Marshes of iraq ( U can see his pic in my album)

As far as the Story of the Marshes goes, it had nothing to do with shi3a resistance fighters hiding there, if u read history, u will find that Saddam started destrying the Marshes since the begging of the iran war, becuase the iranians were using it as a hiding place, and it was harder for the iraqi army to see over their enemy's positions.... not only he started to destroy the marshes, but he totally Wiped iraq's most Treasure which was the Palm Trees....

After 1991, Saddam delibratly continued to drown the marshes by Building Dams to stop al da3wa party from hiding and threatning his Crown, also after the 91 rising, he wanted to make sure that the people suffer....

IRaq's wild life inhabitans were totally Destroyed, my dad's hard work for 30 years all goneeeee :(