what do you think happens to those who commit suicide?

[Emily]

Ive just been thinking about it for a few days now because a friend of mine from 10 years ago, i happened to of went out with his brother, killed himself on June 26. I just found out about it and its so sad to me *:cry:

[JerkFace]

sorry to hear that...i think when you commit suicide nothing happens...your body just fails to exisit anymore however your spirit lives on through the memories of loved ones.

even tho someone is gonna say its a "sin" blah blah

may god rest his soul.

[Corleone]

Emily,

Very sorry for you loss. God Rest His Soul.
What was his name?

[renee]

Suicide is a drastic act of severely depressed people. Most people who actually succeed at suicide usually have many tries at it. Only a mentally ill person would do this drastic act. I have a hard time accepting that God would punish a person with eternal damnation when that person was mentally ill.

I was taught that you have to know something is wrong to have commit a sin. In legal terms, it's called "mens rea" or a "gulty state of mind." You should cherish your memories of that person and recognize that that person's state of mind was such that he couldn't live in the world so, in that sense, he is in a better place (much like you would say if a person was suffering from brain cancer).

A close suicide gives you the opportunity to learn from the signs of depression that this person was exhibiting and learn to recognize them in yourself, family members, and other friends. When you observe or suspect these signs, do everything in your power to try to get this person to get help.

You should bear in mind that no matter how many drugs are developed to treat depression, it is still one of the hardest mental illnesses to cure. Despite everyone's best efforts, a person with suicidal tendancies will ultimately succeed if he or she wants to.

[ojeen1981]

I would like to send my deepest condolences and I am sorry to hear such unfortunate news. *

We must look at your question objectively: *There is perhaps two types of suicide, one that is done deliberate while the other is a result of psychological disorder. The psychological disorder must be diagnosed further to analyze if it is a result of physiological imbalance in the human body, at which point one is to be administered medicine in an attempt to fix that. If the disorder is however a result of some psychological one, than we need to use such methods as psycho-analysis to make the person conscious of what he is doing and save him. *

Last but least, we must now answer the question, from a Biblical point of view one who deliberately with his conscious state of mind takes their lives away is a sin!. *Take Judas for example, was predestined to betray Jesus (or at least someone was predestined to betray him), so Judas did not go to hell because he betrayed Jesus, no! he went to hell because he committed suicide. *I have tried my best to give an objective answer, hope this helps answer your question.

[Savoshka]

"Jesus said, I have come to give life and to give it more abundantly" in John 10:10. Also in John 14: 15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command." Killing is disobeying His command not to kill. God said "you shall not kill". Here it is in Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder." and Deuteronomy 5:17 "You shall not murder. " when a person thinks about suicide then he is not only contemplating breaking one of the commandments but he is disbelieving that God can help him. he is saying that God is not good enough to care for him and that He{God} is not capable of helping out!

But, the truth is that since Jesus is God ... He can be trusted for anyone's life -- presently as well as for all eternity. And He is able to do above and beyond all we ask or think because He is the Creator, Savior, Lord of all, the Good Shepherd, the Alpha and Omega!

The only reason that people go to hell is because they have not trusted in Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life, He who believes in me will live though he dies." (John 11:25) And in John 3:36 Jesus said, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

But just to make this clear that people who commit suicide aren't always send to hell right away, yes even if they killed themselves why....
here is why
people who commit suicide are always suffering from hoplessness, deepression, low self esteem, etc.

Depression is usually the result of one or more of the following: self-worth, stress, spiritual, anger, guilt and physical problems; false beliefs, loss or grief reactions.

[color=blue] Many people who are depressed don't know that depression is also by a lack of neurotransmitters called catecholemines, serotonin and endorphins. These are the chemicals which help people concentrate, improve mood and increase energy. Medication can help increase these neurochemicals along with natural methods such as exercise and taking time to grow spiritually.

Emma i have tried killing my self 3 times, I had no problmes, alot of great friends, and everything was great i was 12 so i had no issues but i never eat proper food nor drinked water or liked fruit so now since i grew up i studied this and it is true if you don't eat well you can loss importnat stuff that your body needs which help your mood and energy so therefore if i was dead by now meaning if i killed my self at the first time im sure God would of helped me out......
anothe example would be people in africa who have no food? if they lost function and killed them selve do you think they'd all go to hell...........Emm God is very understanding but it all depends on what the real case is
thx emma and im truly sorry about your loss all i can say is pray for him/her

[Kikhwa]

Renee,

That's exactly what the Catholic Church says about suicide. *Only someone with a mental illness would go through with taking their own life.

The Church reasons that one can't be punished for something that is a result of a mental illness. *

[rudy]

I would like to send my deepest condolences and I am sorry to hear such unfortunate news. *

We must look at your question objectively: *There is perhaps two types of suicide, one that is done deliberate while the other is a result of psychological disorder. The psychological disorder must be diagnosed further to analyze if it is a result of physiological imbalance in the human body, at which point one is to be administered medicine in an attempt to fix that. If the disorder is however a result of some psychological one, than we need to use such methods as psycho-analysis to make the person conscious of what he is doing and save him. *

Last but least, we must now answer the question, from a Biblical point of view one who deliberately with his conscious state of mind takes their lives away is a sin!. *Take Judas for example, was predestined to betray Jesus (or at least someone was predestined to betray him), so Judas did not go to hell because he betrayed Jesus, no! he went to hell because he committed suicide. *I have tried my best to give an objective answer, hope this helps answer your question.Ok ojeen I agree with what you said up till you said Judas went to hell because he committed suicide. Sorry I have to disagree with you on that bro. Judas went to hell because he betrayed Christ and did not repent of it!! And his guilt led him to suicide. Let me give you another example. Samson did he go to hell for committing suicide? The answer is no. he confessed his sin and the Lord forgave him. And he would have forgiven Judas if he would have only confessed his sin and he would have not committed suicide. Suicide is a very difficult topic. But bottom line is this. Put your faith and trust in the saving Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. And when you die the Bible says you will have eternal life. Thank you and God Bless.

[ojeen1981]

I agree with that rudy, my point was that Judas or someone else was predestined to betray Jesus, so it was not the betrayal itself that sent Judas to hell, but becuase he commited suicide, and like u said, he committed suicide becuase refused to repent! God bless

[renee]

Renee,

That's exactly what the Catholic Church says about suicide. *Only someone with a mental illness would go through with taking their own life.

The Church reasons that one can't be punished for something that is a result of a mental illness. *

U mean the Church and I finally agree on something? *:roll: *:lol:

[sammiedebull]

sorry for the loss, it is not for me to judge what will happen, that is for God to do. I know that in most scriptures suicide is not prohibited and leads you directly to hell.

This is know in all religions, sure if the person had really lost it and they dont know right from wrong than im sure God will deal with that circumstance in a specific way. I do not believe that someone has to have a mental problem to comitte suicide. I think that some people get so broeken down emotionally from specific events and circumstances in their life that they have no other avenue or choice and think that ending it all is the way out.

Im sorry for the loss.

[pfizzles_sister101]

I think that you go to another place besides Heaven**, but Emily I'm terribly sorry about your loss.:(

[Rita]

Emily, suicide is very hard to deal with... for the ones contemplating it & esp. for the people who were left behind with so many unanswered questions & so many what if's. I'm not sure if you were close to this person but either way, I'm sure he was part of your life, past or present. I have dealt with a very good friend of mine who committed suicide 10 years ago. These people come into your life and touch your heart. You'll never really forget that person & will be reminded of them at certain times and around the time of their death.

I'd like to think that many of these people are held in pergatory and do not go to heaven or hell. They might be able 2 have their spirit lifted 2 heaven due to prayers on their behalf. This is why I continue to pray for my friend who passed away (God bless his soul). Hopefully, all these prayers will add up and do him good so that his sin will be 4given.

[Randel]

I hope that if their is a god, people who commit suicide go to heaven.

It's not fair that they have to suffer while they are alive, and than continue to suffer after that. Makes me want to cry almost.

[Emily]

I pray that in some way he did go to heaven. I just dont understand why he would do that, my brother didnt give me all the information so I contacted another friend and he told me he hung himself. From readng his obituary I found out he had two daughters, i knew of the one, but the youngest I had no idea. He mustve had some sort of pyshcological disorder because I dont know who would want to leave thier children behind.

[rudy]

I do not believe that a Christian who commits suicide will go to hell. The Bible teaches that from the moment a person [glow=red:5efe159c66]TRULY[/glow:5efe159c66] believes in Christ, he or she is eternally secure (John 3:16). According to the Bible, Christians can know beyond any doubt that they possess eternal life no matter what happens. “These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God” (1 John 5:13). Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love! “For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38-39). If no “created thing” can separate a Christian from God’s love, and even a Christian who commits suicide is a “created thing,” then not even suicide can separate him from God’s love. Jesus died for all of our sins...and if a true Christian were to, in a time of spiritual attack and weakness, commit suicide - that would be a sin that Jesus died for.
* * *This is not to say that suicide is not a serious sin against God. According to the Bible, Suicide is murder, it is always wrong. I would have serious doubts about the genuine faith of anyone who claimed to be a Christian yet committed suicide. There is no circumstance that can justify someone, especially a Christian, taking his or her own life. Christians are called to live their lives for God – the decision on when to die is God’s and God’s alone. Perhaps a good way to illustrate suicide for a Christian would be from the Book of Esther. In Persia, they had a law that anyone who came before the king uninvited could be put to death unless the king extended his scepter towards the person indicating mercy. Suicide for a Christian would be forcing your way in to see the King instead of waiting for Him to summon you. He will point His scepter towards you, sparing your eternal life, but that does not mean He is happy with you. Although it is not describing suicide, the Bible verse 1 Corinthians 3:15 is probably a good description of what happens to a Christian who commits suicide: “He himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.” Thank you and GOd bless

[CHALDEANELVIS]

Rudy, you know I love you and you are a great brother in the LORD, but I have to disagree with you. See, if a Christian commits suicide, I would not even call him a Christian. I am suffering with unsaved family and am at the point where I just want to move out and not even care where I stay. If suicide took me to Heaven, being a Christian, I would do it! "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain" -Philippians 1:21

Suicide is the "easy way out" Christ said "He that endures till the end will be delivered" and the Bible makes it very, very, super clear on the severity of persecution a Christian will face. Observe the following verses:

Matthew 5:11, 2 Timothy 3:12-15, James 1:2-6, 1 Peter 1:6, 1 Peter 4:14

These are just off the top of my head, I may not even do this thread justice. *


2 Timothy 3:12 ]"Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceivers and deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. [/b]

James 1:2-6 "Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials, *for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. *And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. *If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives to all men generously and without reproaching, and it will be given him. *But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.


1 Peter 1:6-7 "In this you rejoice, though now for a little while you may have to suffer various trials, so that the genuineness of your faith, more precious than gold which though perishable is tested by fire, may redound to praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ"

1 Peter 4:14-19 " If you are reproached for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or a thief, or a wrongdoer, or a mischief-maker; *yet if one suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but under that name let him glorify God. *For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? *And "If the righteous man is scarcely saved, where will the impious and sinner appear?" *Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will do right and entrust their souls to a faithful Creator.

So Rudy, in light of these verses, we note that those you desire to live a Godly life, WILL endure suffer and persecutions, but we must overcome it. For if Christ was persecuted and endured, so must we be. For the Scriptures say "Be imitators of Christ" For persecution is to be counted as joy, Rejoice! This is a test from God to see your faithfulness in Him. *Look at the verse in James I posted. If anyone lacks in anything, let him ask. Your walk and faith in Christ will be thrown in the fire and tested for genuiness.

So I must ask, if a Christian commits suicide, how then can he be saved if he didn't endure the trials and sufferings that he knew is to come? Whether it be spirtual trials or fleshly, they are still trials that need God's intercession. I would love to depart and be with Christ and if suicide was an option, I'd do it. But the fact is, that is the easy way out and almost unfair, to say. Christ could've just ascended during his 40 lashes minus 1 and said "Forget this, im going to Heaven" no, He set an example for us that we may know what it's going to be like to be in Christ. "For they persecuted Me, so aslo will they persecute you"

Rudy, check out Mar Delly's quote. I just posted a new topic. I would love your reply.

Your Brother in the Risen, Glorified Christ Jesus,
Elvis

[CHALDEANELVIS]

I forgot to add:

1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us"


"Do not be a fool--why die before your time?" (Ecclesiastes 7:17b)

Very few would argue with the fact that suicide is a direct breaking of the Sixth Commandment which is, "You shall not murder." We are not to murder each other or ourselves. God created human beings in His image and each of us carries within us the potential to overcome the evil in this world, and to rule and reign with Christ in heavenly places. If we are Christians, we no longer belong to ourselves, but to God. We are overseers of our bodies and our lives (which belong to Him), and we are responsible to guard that which has been entrusted to us.

Many of the greatest saints and heroes of the Bible faced overwhelming depression and sometimes wrote that they wished they had never even been born. King David, (Psalm 13:2-4), the prophet Jeremiah, (Jeremiah 20:14-18), and Job, (Job 7:15-16) among others, all reached low points where they despaired of their very lives.

Job says, "So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life. I loathe it; I would not live alway: let me alone; for my days are vanity" (Job 7:15-16).

Yet, each one of these men were blessed of God, and persevered through their trials as an example to us. Though they faced great suffering and injustice, they kept their faith in God and His goodness, and in so doing, were sustained and led into abundant life.

That is why the Bible tells us that we must be "transformed, by the renewing of our mind (Romans 12:2)." The Holy Spirit is the only One who can help us break free and be healed of these deadly emotions.

[rudy]

Rudy, you know I love you and you are a great brother in the LORD, but I have to disagree with you. See, if a Christian commits suicide, I would not even call him a Christian. I am suffering with unsaved family and am at the point where I just want to move out and not even care where I stay. If suicide took me to Heaven, being a Christian, I would do it! "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain" -Philippians 1:21

Suicide is the "easy way out" Christ said "He that endures till the end will be delivered" and the Bible makes it very, very, super clear on the severity of persecution a Christian will face. Observe the following verses:

Matthew 5:11, 2 Timothy 3:12-15, James 1:2-6, 1 Peter 1:6, 1 Peter 4:14

These are just off the top of my head, I may not even do this thread justice. *


2 Timothy 3:12 ]"Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceivers and deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. [/b]

James 1:2-6 "Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials, *for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. *And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. *If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives to all men generously and without reproaching, and it will be given him. *But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.


1 Peter 1:6-7 "In this you rejoice, though now for a little while you may have to suffer various trials, so that the genuineness of your faith, more precious than gold which though perishable is tested by fire, may redound to praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ"

1 Peter 4:14-19 " If you are reproached for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or a thief, or a wrongdoer, or a mischief-maker; *yet if one suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but under that name let him glorify God. *For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? *And "If the righteous man is scarcely saved, where will the impious and sinner appear?" *Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will do right and entrust their souls to a faithful Creator.

So Rudy, in light of these verses, we note that those you desire to live a Godly life, WILL endure suffer and persecutions, but we must overcome it. For if Christ was persecuted and endured, so must we be. For the Scriptures say "Be imitators of Christ" For persecution is to be counted as joy, Rejoice! This is a test from God to see your faithfulness in Him. *Look at the verse in James I posted. If anyone lacks in anything, let him ask. Your walk and faith in Christ will be thrown in the fire and tested for genuiness.

So I must ask, if a Christian commits suicide, how then can he be saved if he didn't endure the trials and sufferings that he knew is to come? Whether it be spirtual trials or fleshly, they are still trials that need God's intercession. I would love to depart and be with Christ and if suicide was an option, I'd do it. But the fact is, that is the easy way out and almost unfair, to say. Christ could've just ascended during his 40 lashes minus 1 and said "Forget this, im going to Heaven" no, He set an example for us that we may know what it's going to be like to be in Christ. "For they persecuted Me, so aslo will they persecute you"

Rudy, check out Mar Delly's quote. I just posted a new topic. I would love your reply.

Your Brother in the Risen, Glorified Christ Jesus,
Elvis so chaldeanelvis bro did samson go to hell?? :think:

[CHALDEANELVIS]

I do not believe Samson went to Hell, but I like the question about Samson, it makes you think. But lets keep in mind that the only way Samson was able to kill himself the way he did, was that God gave him the power to push those pillars. So, was it really Samson that did it, or God? Remember, Samson lost his strength after having had his hair cut. So Samson could not have killed himself unless God granted his last wish that he may be able to have a jolt of the strength he once had in order to knock down the pillars.

Judges 16:28 Then Samson called to the LORD and said, "O Lord GOD, please remember me and please strengthen me just this time, O God, that I may at once be avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes."

So my question would be, if Samson's power was gone until the point of his death, why would God grant his request to give him the power just one more time to knock down the pillars and avenge the Philistines? Was God in on his suicide? Was God allowing murder? If God is all knowing, He knew that if He granted Samsons wish, Samson would be guilty of suicide. And so the story goes on, Samson was granted strength once more and killed the Phillistines and himself, but only because God allowed it. Remember, anytime God allows something, even if you disagree, it's Gods authority. Remember when God gave the commandments in Exodus 20:4 "Do not make idols"? We see in Numbers 21:4-9 that the Lord orders Moses to make an idol, a serpent for Israel. Then the serpent is later commanded to be destroyed. So when God grants something we think is contrary to scripture, we stay silent, this is GOD.

So I don't believe the Samson argument holds. Just keep in mind Rudy, anyone who claims to be a Christian must endure until the end. Reread those passages I gave you. It really emphasizes on the seriousness of enduring pains, trials, tribulations, and persecutions, and most of all, it says we MUST go through them and we MUST endure. Read Herbrews 12, the whole chapter.

Also, how does killing yourself not qualify as murder? What then is murder? Suicide is the easy way out and there would be much, much more suicides if Christians would go to Heaven. I'd be amongst them, believe me.

Your Brother in Christ,
Elvis

[Rita]

Please cite the information in which you are copying from. If not, please only post your thoughts and opinions. I will not tolerate this. LMAO

[CHALDEANELVIS]

Please cite the information in which you are copying from. If not, please only post your thoughts and opinions. I will not tolerate this. LMAO

Rita, I don't understand what you are saying, it's very self explanatory, but I'll answer it anyway.

My source is the Bible, not my own thoughts. What's there to tolerate?

God Bless,
Elvis

[Rita]

which Bible? It's not that hard 2 understand.

[CHALDEANELVIS]

A regular Bible. Use your Catholic Bible, ESV, KJV, NIV, NASB, they are all the same.

Elvis

[Rita]

they are not all the same. There are different versions, different authors, old testament, new testament, etc.

[ojeen1981]

they are not all the same. There are different versions, different authors, old testament, new testament, etc.

ummm...did u look up the verses used in your Bible or no??

[ojeen1981]

Rudy and CHALDEANELVIS...you guys are making me think. *I have to -restudy my theology on this. *But thats amazing Biblical scritpure knowledge that u guys have!!! God bless u both

[CHALDEANELVIS]

they are not all the same. There are different versions, different authors, old testament, new testament, etc.

Rita, what is your question specifically. I don't understand *what you are having trouble with and I would love to help. When I quote the New Testament, you'll know because they aren't in the Old Testament and vice versa. Look in your Bible index for that information. As far as versions, again, that is not the point. I use the ESV and KJV if it makes any difference in your reasoning. Just like Ojeen said, just open you Bible and validate our points for yourself. As far as the author, His name is GOD *:D

God Bless,
Elvis

[JerkFace]

i like pears :alright:

[CHALDEANELVIS]

Geez, I haven't eaten a pear in a while *:think:

[Rita]

As far as the author, His name is GOD *:D

God did not write the Bible.

[ojeen1981]

As far as the author, His name is GOD *:D

God did not write the Bible.

You were concerned about the Bible verses, just wondering if u looked them up???

[CHALDEANELVIS]

As far as the author, His name is GOD *:D

God did not write the Bible.

Rita, please, please do me a favor. With all love I say this, honestly. You can not keep saying things that your finite mind does not know. Please. Instead of saying "God did not write the Bible" instead you should say, "Did God write the Bible, if so, prove it"

Wouldn't that be more logical? I'm not trying to be rude but how would you feel if I went ranting about a family member of yours and making up rumors about them? It's the same thing when post replies about Jesus, my best friend, my Father.

Here is your answer though:

Man wrote by ink the Bible. Yes, we can both agree on that. But ultimately, the Bible was written by God, for these men would have nothing to write if it weren't for God and the Holy Spirit.

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is God breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."


1 Peter 1:12-15 "The prophets who prophesied of the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired about this salvation; they inquired what person or time was indicated by the Spirit of Christ within them when predicting the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glory. It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things which have now been announced to you by those who preached the good news to you through the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look. Therefore gird up your minds, be sober, set your hope fully upon the grace that is coming to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in all your conduct"

I like your inquires, I really do, but please post them in the form of a question. I'll be more than happy to answer any objection you may have.

Your brother in Christ,
Elvis

[maxpower]

THEY PARTY *:band: THEY GET DRUNK *:drunk: *THEY FIGHT *:starwars: THEY DANCE *:elephant: AND WHO EVER ASKED THS QUESTION IS A COMPLETE *:morons:

[Rita]

I will say what I want 2 say whether it is in a form of a question or comment. Remember, I think that God and Jesus are not the same and do not call both of them God... only the Father Himself. Jesus is my Lord & Saviour. I don't understand how many times I'm supposed 2 clarify that 2 u until u get it. I believe the Bible was written by Jesus' disciple and the teachings were from Jesus. The only form of scripture that I know God had written were the 10 Commandments.

[renee]

i like pears :alright:

I've got a pair for you jerky.

(sorry tef) *:mrgreen:

[rudy]

I will say what I want 2 say whether it is in a form of a question or comment. Remember, I think that God and Jesus are not the same and do not call both of them God... only the Father Himself. Jesus is my Lord & Saviour. I don't understand how many times I'm supposed 2 clarify that 2 u until u get it. I believe the Bible was written by Jesus' disciple and the teachings were from Jesus. The only form of scripture that I know God had written were the 10 Commandments. *Rita I’m going to say something and I’m not saying it to try to get on your nerves but I don’t think you even realize how dangerous of a comment you just made!! First of all if you don’t *believe Jesus is God than you are not a Christian or a true Catholic. I can give you a million verses from the Bible to prove my point but if you don’t read for yourself than there is nothing I can say to help you. But I will dare you to go to your priest and ask him if Jesus is God and see what kind of response you get from him. But I will give you one verse from the Bible ( NAB Catholic translation) Titus 2:13 “As we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” thank you and God Bless.

[CHALDEANELVIS]

Great verse Ojeen. The Bible is full of claims that Jesus is God. I don't see why this would be a hard teaching.

If Jesus wasn't God, then why didn't Jesus rebuke Thomas for calling Him "My Lord and My God" Jesus should've said, no, Im not God, but I am Lord.

I gave you extreme proof the Jesus is God and no offense but all I read from your posts are "I think" You need to go back to my posts and reread everything and then tell me why, in light of what I showed you, you don't believe Jesus is God. I showed you how Jesus Himself said He was God! Please reread and then tell me how where you still have trouble, I'd love to help.

The Bible says not to go by feelings of thoughts, but to hold fast to the words of God. Read the Bible for yourself and be your ultimate interpreter.

Elvis

[rudy]

I will say what I want 2 say whether it is in a form of a question or comment. Remember, I think that God and Jesus are not the same and do not call both of them God... only the Father Himself. Jesus is my Lord & Saviour. I don't understand how many times I'm supposed 2 clarify that 2 u until u get it. I believe the Bible was written by Jesus' disciple and the teachings were from Jesus. The only form of scripture that I know God had written were the 10 Commandments. el ab wal iben wal ruah el cuduce elah el wahed ameen. so Rita hun think about what you are saying when you finish praying. Sorry i'm just trying to help you understand. God bless.

[CHALDEANELVIS]

AMEN

[Emily]

dont get loud with my girl :punch:

[Nathan]

it depends if u commit sucide and your a true christian you will go to heaven but i dont think you are a TRUE christian if u commit sucide because the holy sprit will tell you that your doing something wrong the way that i know that i am a true christian is that when i do something wrong i get punished for it not by my parents but by God it says in the bible he who loveth he chastieth thanks God bless

[SamIAM™]

simple answer, they go to hell

[CHALDEANELVIS]

AMEN (which means, "Let God's Will be done") for those who didn't know that *:D

[Samuel]

AMEN (which means, "Let God's Will be done") for those who didn't know that *:D


Is this the definition before or after the Jews "adopted" it from the Egyptians? *

Christians "adopt" a lot of God related aspects from pagan religions. *I guess you do what you have to do to convert them. *:roll:

http://paganritual.alphalink.com.au/plagi.html

*cough* political tool *cough*

^I hate when that happens!


It's no wonder Rudy stole entire ideas from gotquestions.org. *That's the Christian way of "thinking."

You people can make a sane man cry from laughter.

[CHALDEANELVIS]

Hey, thats great but you have yet to answer the most important question I've asked you. I believe I even asked you and Sammie during that huge topic posted not too long ago.

When you stand before God at Judgement Day, what is going to be your sentence?

You directly and indirectly bash on the Bible and Christian beliefs. Let's take about the Quran a little, what do you say?

-Elvis

[Samuel]

Hey, thats great but you have yet to answer the most important question I've asked you. I believe I even asked you and Sammie during that huge topic posted not too long ago.

When you stand before God at Judgement Day, what is going to be your sentence?

You directly and indirectly bash on the Bible and Christian beliefs. Let's take about the Quran a little, what do you say?

-Elvis


What will you do if you catch Santa climbing down the chimney?

[sammiedebull]

no man, no one bashes the bible, you just interpret it a different way!@

[sammiedebull]

isn't the bible basically an offshoot of the torra?

[UmiSayz]

When you stand before God at Judgement Day, what is going to be your sentence?




I thought that was God's (swt) job? We can't make up our own sentence :roll: :think:

[sammiedebull]

I know that in all religios scripture it says a person who takes thier own life is going to hell, this is what it tells us all. Is it possible that God will look at different scenarios and cases to determine what will happen to that person? sure its possible. Suicide is not a solution, you cant reverse that mistake, never!

[renee]

Naw, that's only because the writers of the scriptures didn't know about mental illness.

[sammiedebull]

I do not believe you have to have a mental illness to comitt suicide. Do i think that some people do it because they have a mental illness? yes, but most people do it out of despiration!

[UmiSayz]

yes, but most people do it out of despiration!


Exactly.

[Neo]

I like renee's pair better

[sammiedebull]

If you say that its caused by mental illness than you are giving it an excuse, its not a disease. So the kid who cant make friends at school, that gets teased, that cant find a date, comes home one day, gets depressed and says its all not worth it and kills her/himself has a mental illness?

I don't buy it, sorry.

The guy who just lost his job, who cant pay the bills, who is having family trouble at home, who has just went over the edge and cant take it anymore and decides to take his own life, this is mental illness?

Now i understand if someone is retarded and is playing with a gun and not knowing that can harm them they take thier life away than ok, but than again, this is not called a suicide, this is called an accident.

You case or arguement does not stand, thank GOD. This would be a disaster because than everyone would be saying we'll its ok, he is sick, he is in a better place now!!!

There is not excuse for one to take thier own life, NO EXCUSE. God im sure would have known that this would, as we all know, God knows the future, he would have seen them anyway, according to you than, all scripture was written by man :)?

[renee]

Sammie what kind of troglodyte are *you? Desperation is depression. Normal people do not despair.

It's people like you who keep the mentally ill from getting the treatment they need.

[Anonymous]

Amen Sammie

[rudy]

Hey, thats great but you have yet to answer the most important question I've asked you. I believe I even asked you and Sammie during that huge topic posted not too long ago.

When you stand before God at Judgement Day, what is going to be your sentence?

You directly and indirectly bash on the Bible and Christian beliefs. Let's take about the Quran a little, what do you say?

-Elvis


What will you do if you catch Santa climbing down the chimney? I will start reading the Bible to him. (LOL)

[sammiedebull]

Everyone gets depressed, some people more than others but that does not give them the right to take thier life.

[sammiedebull]

so according to you everyone who comittes suicide is mentally ill :) you are nutz man :)

[renee]

Well, since I'm the mental health professional and you're not, I guess you have no basis for your statement other than opinion.

My professional training tells me that EVERYONE who commits suicide is depressed. When you get your Ph.D. in psychology, I'll give credence to your opinion.

[UmiSayz]

Well, since I'm the mental health professional and you're not, I guess you have no basis for your statement other than opinion.

My professional training tells me that EVERYONE who commits suicide is depressed. When you get your Ph.D. in psychology, I'll give credence to your opinion.


Maybe here in America. What about the Palistinians who does the suicide bombings? Can you explain that? Im sure its "depression." Sammiedebull is correct. Its about desperation also.

I agree, it's not just about depression. Some people are twisted. You can't justify someone who murders their wife/husband and children and then decides to kill themselves.

[Emily]

all those suicide bombers are sick and they all need help, they are depressed about thier lives so they go to someone and look up to somebody who makes them feel worthy, so they feel as if by killing people they are doing a good thing and will be recognized from it.


just my 0.02 im drunk

[UmiSayz]

all those suicide bombers are sick and they all need help, they are depressed about thier lives so they go to someone and look up to somebody who makes them feel worthy, so they feel as if by killing people they are doing a good thing and will be recognized from it.


just my 0.02 im drunk


No thats wrong. These ppl in Palistine has nothin to live for. There families been killed and they seek revenge. Sure its wrong but if you were in there shoes...how can you live like that?

[ojeen1981]

we have to look at the mental and physiological aspect of a human body to decide depression. *I think the medical field is more approperiate to do that.

[Senalko]

Suicide Bombers Arent mentally Sick, nor are they Depressed.....they have 2 main features

1- Unedcuated
2- Brainwashed

[sammiedebull]

All of you are wrong about these bombers, first of all we all agree they are wrong and taking away innocent life is never ever ever right!!!

Umi is partially right, these bombers have NOTHING to live for, this is the problem, they have no hope, no jobs, etc. If you ever listen to the videos of those suicide bombers in Palestine, you will see that as UMI said, they do it for revenge, out of desperation, they have nothing to live for, they have nothing to look forward to, thier brother was just killed by an Israeli soldier, they have no weapons to fight, they have nothing!!!

So think about it, one day you are setting at home and the neighbor across the street who has weapons, people and the entire city behind him to come to your home, remove you, kill anyone who resist because they want you land to extend thier property. They arrive and some of your family resist because this is thier land, this is where they have been living, this is where they come home to everyday. With all the resistance, they manage to kill 2 of your brothers, one of your sisters is now parylized, your father and mother are crying, the family is devistated and has no home. Are you telling me that it is not human nature to go after the ones who did this to your family? This is the situation in Palestine/Israel, its very complex, i tried to simplify why this is happening with these guys. I do agree a bit that they are BRAINWASHED!!! Some of them are not there for revenge, they are there to cause fear in the "enemy" which they call the Israelis.

Now is the Palestinian authority a bunch of idiots? YES, actually HELL YES!! I am also no fan of the Israeli government, a.k.a sharon. I think Rita said it earlier, the USA needs to step in and play a big role, not just meet up every 4 months and see great, we now agree, lets do it, that shit does not work, you need to put your full effort in to it.

About the suicide bombers in Iraq and the ones in London/September 11th, i 100% disagree with these guys, they are 100% brainwashed, they have no merit in what they are doing, no excuses. They moved the fight from the real cuase to something which makes no sense, stupid and ignorant people.

These people need to be hunted down and taken care of, crazy mofos.

This is the situation.

Renee about your comitt, I do not believe that you are following research, I believe you are following your liberal view. I do not care if you got a PHD, I know many people who have a PHD who do not know anything. I believe you are looking at what you believe in, what your party affiliation believes in while ignoring the real facts.

[Randel]

I dont think we can put suicide bombers from iraq in the same category as people who are depressed.
The suicide bombers think they are going to get a reward out of it from their god.

[sammiedebull]

I agree with you, those guys are brainwashed. they think they will get some kind of reward when they wont.

[UmiSayz]

Die fighting with a gun in your hand ;)

[sammiedebull]

stop thinking of Tony Mantana :)

[UmiSayz]

stop thinking of Tony Mantana :)

Well its the truth and atleast you'll die as shaheeda (matyr) ;)

[sammiedebull]

"shaheeda (matyr)" does not imply everywhere, only in self defense and protecting your religion. its a very touch issue, i would not know how to explain it BUT those guys in Iraq are NOT "shaheeda (matyr)", they are murderers.

[UmiSayz]

"shaheeda (matyr)" does not imply everywhere, only in self defense and protecting your religion. its a very touch issue, i would not know how to explain it BUT those guys in Iraq are NOT "shaheeda (matyr)", they are murderers.


I wasn't refferring to suicide bombers. :alright:

[sammiedebull]

ok, i guess its tony mantana baby :)