How does the Chaldean Church view the fundamentalist movement in the US?

[renee]

Since I don't go to one, I'd like to know.

[John_5_24]

Since I don't go to one, I'd like to know.

Renee,
Being what the Chaldean Church would call fundamentalist, I can tell you that at St. Thomas in West Bloomfield, as you walk into the Church on the right side of the lobby area there is a wall of about 30-40 pamphlets. *The pamphlets discuss the various beliefs of the churhc and their attempts to justify their beliefs. *About 10-12 of the pamphlets are directed toward Protestant churches and/or beliefs and they aren't the most complimentary pieces.

I noticed you said you don't attend a Chaldean Church which suprises me, I though you were a Chaldean Catholic. *Either way, I think you are in San Diego, if you drop into the Chaldean church there, they may have the same ones for you to read.

[Rita]

she's in LA. I don't think she's near any Chaldean churches near her.

[Samuel]

Yes there is. *But most of the people who attend are Assyrians....or Chaldeans from Iran (my mom's family). *Basically, the church is home to a couple dozen family's and should only function during Easter and Christmas, since that's the only time people ever go.

Anyway. *I believe a number of Chaldeans (some on this site) can be considered fundamentalists. *Get drunk of Friday and Saturday. *Then pray on Sunday, and criticize everyone who isn't there praying with you. *And the "gay people" who corrupt society. *Oh and negros and muslims too. *Isn't that the definition to a Christian fundamentalist?

[John_5_24]

Anyway. *I believe a number of Chaldeans (some on this site) can be considered fundamentalists. *Get drunk of Friday and Saturday. *Then pray on Sunday, and criticize everyone who isn't there praying with you. *And the "gay people" who corrupt society. *Oh and negros and muslims too. *Isn't that the definition to a Christian fundamentalist?

There you go again Samd. *I am assuming I am included in your post. *For the record, I don't drink on Friday and Saturday nights. *I pray everyday, actually several times a day. I am not just a Christian on Sundays, nor is any other true Christian.

Additionally, I would challenge you to find a single posting of mine, Elvis', Rudy's, or Ojeen's that use the terms you used in a derogatory fashion as you have charged in your posting. *

Now, I know what I will get back from you is something pertaining me being some sort of idiot, or moron, or worse, but you can not make personal accusations like you made without substantiating them. *

Until you can, will you please stop with the personal attacks? *I know you are capable of much more.

[renee]

she's in LA. I don't think she's near any Chaldean churches near her.

Thanks hon, I think I know of the one Samd mentioned. When I go to church I go to one in Beverly Hills. I find the quality of the mass higher and the quality of the congregation better.

I've actually gone to their singles group. If I'm gonna marry a Catholic, he's gonna be rich. LOL

[rudy]

My opinion is- I believe the most not all of the Roman Catholic Church considers “fundamentalist” a threat. This is why they confuse their parishioners about fundamentalism. Most of my relatives are Catholics and some of the questions and or comments they make just blow me away! For example “you hate Mary”. Not true we love, honor and, obey her. “You are a new realign” again not true. Can be traced all the way back to the time of Christ. “You believe by saying a simple prayer you will go to heaven” also not true when you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is the savior and ask for forgiveness and there is a change in you life than you will go to heaven. “You came from Martin Luther” also not true. Not taking anything away from Martin Luther because he was a great man. Fundament Christians existed way before him! o yea I almost for got the worst one "you are the same as jehovas witnesses" Thats the most stupid and silliest one of all!!!!Thank you and God Bless.

[renee]

most not all of the Roman Catholic Church considers “fundamentalist” a threat......


because you have severe theological errors by believing that you do not need the Eucharist for salvation and by faith "alone" you can be saved. Doesn't matter Rudy, you continue believing that by "faith alone you can be saved." I suspect I'll be seeing you in hell.

[Anonymous]

most not all of the Roman Catholic Church considers “fundamentalist” a threat......


because you have severe theological errors by believing that you do not need the Eucharist for salvation and by faith "alone" you can be saved. Doesn't matter Rudy, you continue believing that by "faith alone you can be saved." I suspect I'll be seeing you in hell. For by GRACE ARE YOU SAVED through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD; NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

[rudy]

most not all of the Roman Catholic Church considers “fundamentalist” a threat......


because you have severe theological errors by believing that you do not need the Eucharist for salvation and by faith "alone" you can be saved. Doesn't matter Rudy, you continue believing that by "faith alone you can be saved." I suspect I'll be seeing you in hell. For by GRACE ARE YOU SAVED through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD; NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9For by GRACE ARE YOU SAVED through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD; NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

[Rita]

LMFAO @ Renee. I'll see you on your way down... I might be stuck in pergatory for a while. :lol:

[rudy]

LMFAO @ Renee. I'll see you on your way down... I might be stuck in pergatory for a while. :lol: I so sorry you find this funny rita? I would never dare try to joke about hell.

[ojeen1981]

this topic should be easy, if someone is a catholic, orthodox, baptist, protestant, lutheran, or any other dominat branch from the reformation, their doctrines all share the same faiths in regards to Biblical theology. *I dont understand what people here are arguing from a "catholic" perspective or from a "reformation" perspective. *Everyone is throwing arguments against each other and what u guys are doing is discrediting the Bible in the eyes of other faiths. *

what we need is long and hard study of the Bible, Church history and see what churches have incorporated into their teachings and why...only than can we have objective view on this. peace n God bless

[Rita]

rudy, it was a joke... nothing serious about it. I am open 2 joking around and not being so critical on every thing I do. Besides, I was probably speaking truth also.

[renee]

most not all of the Roman Catholic Church considers “fundamentalist” a threat......


because you have severe theological errors by believing that you do not need the Eucharist for salvation and by faith "alone" you can be saved. Doesn't matter Rudy, you continue believing that by "faith alone you can be saved." I suspect I'll be seeing you in hell. For by GRACE ARE YOU SAVED through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD; NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9For by GRACE ARE YOU SAVED through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD; NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

You guys are a couple of morons. I was refering to Martin Luther's "sole fide" and not the bible. But since you guys like the bible so much, I'll continue to refer to James 2:24. Interesting that Martin Luther wanted to eliminate James from the bible. * :think: *Hey boys, if the bible is perfect, why do Paul and James disagree? Shouldn't James have known what Jesus meant as he was Jesus' brother?

I still will be seeing you Rudy in hell for believing heresy. You, and the coward annonymous.

[CHALDEANELVIS]

most not all of the Roman Catholic Church considers “fundamentalist” a threat......


because you have severe theological errors by believing that you do not need the Eucharist for salvation and by faith "alone" you can be saved. Doesn't matter Rudy, you continue believing that by "faith alone you can be saved." I suspect I'll be seeing you in hell. For by GRACE ARE YOU SAVED through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD; NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9For by GRACE ARE YOU SAVED through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of GOD; NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

You guys are a couple of morons. I was refering to Martin Luther's "sole fide" and not the bible. But since you guys like the bible so much, I'll continue to refer to James 2:24. Interesting that Martin Luther wanted to eliminate James from the bible. * :think: *Hey boys, if the bible is perfect, why do Paul and James disagree? Shouldn't James have known what Jesus meant as he was Jesus' brother?

I still will be seeing you Rudy in hell for believing heresy. You, and the coward annonymous.

Now we are finally getting into a discussion worth talking! Alright! Renee, pick it: Transubstantiation, Purgatory, "By Works", etc. But wait, you don't hold to the Bible, therefore you're church doesn't exist, therefore, you don't exist! *:disgusted:

Just kidding, but it is true.

Renee, what determines who is going to Hell if the Bible is false? Whether you said the word "false" or not, I think everyone would agree that you implied that by your blasphemous comments.

How many times are we going to go through James 2:18? *:bang: *lol

"Even if one raises from the dead, they still won't believe"

:think: I wonder why Christ made such an accusation *:think: *:think:


Those topics are definetly still up for debate, my challenge.

By calling people cowards and telling them they are going to Hell does not raise the credibility of your words. I've held better conversations with rocks. Yes, I speak to rocks, it sounds just as lame as the remarks you make. Now, we can choose to turn the tables around and get serious on a much more mature note. I believe we are all willing, but it's hard to when you keep making 4 year old remarks. Let's try to step it up a little, act our ages.

-Elvis

[Samuel]

Anyway. *I believe a number of Chaldeans (some on this site) can be considered fundamentalists. *Get drunk of Friday and Saturday. *Then pray on Sunday, and criticize everyone who isn't there praying with you. *And the "gay people" who corrupt society. *Oh and negros and muslims too. *Isn't that the definition to a Christian fundamentalist?

There you go again Samd. *I am assuming I am included in your post. *For the record, I don't drink on Friday and Saturday nights. *I pray everyday, actually several times a day. I am not just a Christian on Sundays, nor is any other true Christian.

Additionally, I would challenge you to find a single posting of mine, Elvis', Rudy's, or Ojeen's that use the terms you used in a derogatory fashion as you have charged in your posting. *

Now, I know what I will get back from you is something pertaining me being some sort of idiot, or moron, or worse, but you can not make personal accusations like you made without substantiating them. *

Until you can, will you please stop with the personal attacks? *I know you are capable of much more.

You're making a huge assumption here buddy. *I was clearly vague in my description of who i was referring to. *I wasn't referring to you or Ojeen. *Although I don't agree with your beliefs, I respect your devotion to them. *And I will give both of you the benefit of the doubt in regards to your loyalty towards them. *I'm not very familiar with ChaldeanElvis, besides my suspicion's that he's someone who was previously banned (what are the odds that two unrelated individuals would throw out the word "ad hominem fallacy" into a post?). *And as for Rudy aka gotquestions.org, *I dont' believe a website can be considered a "fundamentalist." *Sure its messages could be interpreted as such, but those weren't written by Rudy now were they?

If you'd really like to know who I was referring to. *PM me. *You'd definitely be surprised.

[John_5_24]

You're making a huge assumption here buddy. *I was clearly vague in my description of who i was referring to. *I wasn't referring to you or Ojeen. *Although I don't agree with your beliefs, I respect your devotion to them. *And I will give both of you the benefit of the doubt in regards to your loyalty towards them. *I'm not very familiar with ChaldeanElvis, besides my suspicion's that he's someone who was previously banned (what are the odds that two unrelated individuals would throw out the word "ad hominem fallacy" into a post?). *And as for Rudy aka gotquestions.org, *I dont' believe a website can be considered a "fundamentalist." *Sure its messages could be interpreted as such, but those weren't written by Rudy now were they?

If you'd really like to know who I was referring to. *PM me. *You'd definitely be surprised.

Then my apologies to you Samd. *I thought for certain that you were including me in that statement.

[CHALDEANELVIS]

Anyway. *I believe a number of Chaldeans (some on this site) can be considered fundamentalists. *Get drunk of Friday and Saturday. *Then pray on Sunday, and criticize everyone who isn't there praying with you. *And the "gay people" who corrupt society. *Oh and negros and muslims too. *Isn't that the definition to a Christian fundamentalist?

There you go again Samd. *I am assuming I am included in your post. *For the record, I don't drink on Friday and Saturday nights. *I pray everyday, actually several times a day. I am not just a Christian on Sundays, nor is any other true Christian.

Additionally, I would challenge you to find a single posting of mine, Elvis', Rudy's, or Ojeen's that use the terms you used in a derogatory fashion as you have charged in your posting. *

Now, I know what I will get back from you is something pertaining me being some sort of idiot, or moron, or worse, but you can not make personal accusations like you made without substantiating them. *

Until you can, will you please stop with the personal attacks? *I know you are capable of much more.

You're making a huge assumption here buddy. *I was clearly vague in my description of who i was referring to. *I wasn't referring to you or Ojeen. *Although I don't agree with your beliefs, I respect your devotion to them. *And I will give both of you the benefit of the doubt in regards to your loyalty towards them. *I'm not very familiar with ChaldeanElvis, besides my suspicion's that he's someone who was previously banned (what are the odds that two unrelated individuals would throw out the word "ad hominem fallacy" into a post?). *And as for Rudy aka gotquestions.org, *I dont' believe a website can be considered a "fundamentalist." *Sure its messages could be interpreted as such, but those weren't written by Rudy now were they?

If you'd really like to know who I was referring to. *PM me. *You'd definitely be surprised.


Hey SamD, I agree, there are those who may get drunk and consider themselves Christian. But there's the fallacy right there, THEY consider themselves Christian, not God. Isn't so easy to say that we are right with God just because we believe so? All religions claim to lead to God, and as do the members of it. By the way, what do you mean I was banned? I was never banned from here. *:think: *I've had topics locked up.

For those who claim to be Christian (Christ-as-one) and are getting drunk on weekends:

1 John 2:19: "They went out from us, but they were never of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us."

[renee]

But wait, you don't hold to the Bible, therefore you're church doesn't exist, therefore, you don't exist! *:disgusted:

No, I think, therefore I am. The bible exists, the church exists, all of these can be proven to exist. The question is, "is the Bible the exact word of God?" It is my belief, and the belief of most catholics, that the bible is the inspired word of god. that it was written by (probably) men with good intentions. The bible was written for a particular time (ie. John's Revelation written to help the Jews deal with their near annialation and scattering by the Romans.) We can draw inspiration from the bible but it needs to be interpreted and placed in contemporary context.


Renee, what determines who is going to Hell if the Bible is false?

Of course God determines who is going to hell. I can have my opinions of whom she is going to send there however. I never said the Bible is false. It is definitely not historically accurate. Even this Father Frank, whoever he is, would agree with that.


Whether you said the word "false" or not, I think everyone would agree that you implied that by your blasphemous comments.

How many times are we going to go through James 2:18? *:bang: *lol

The funny thing is that, while you and your bible thumpers can't understand it, I do believe. I just don't need the bible to get there. The oral tradition and the continuity of the Apostolic succession is enough for me.

-Elvis

[CHALDEANELVIS]

But wait, you don't hold to the Bible, therefore you're church doesn't exist, therefore, you don't exist! *:disgusted:

No, I think, therefore I am. The bible exists, the church exists, all of these can be proven to exist. The question is, "is the Bible the exact word of God?" It is my belief, and the belief of most catholics, that the bible is the inspired word of god. that it was written by (probably) men with good intentions. The bible was written for a particular time (ie. John's Revelation written to help the Jews deal with their near annialation and scattering by the Romans.) We can draw inspiration from the bible but it needs to be interpreted and placed in contemporary context.


Renee, what determines who is going to Hell if the Bible is false?

Of course God determines who is going to hell. I can have my opinions of whom she is going to send there however. I never said the Bible is false. It is definitely not historically accurate. Even this Father Frank, whoever he is, would agree with that.


Whether you said the word "false" or not, I think everyone would agree that you implied that by your blasphemous comments.

How many times are we going to go through James 2:18? *:bang: *lol

The funny thing is that, while you and your bible thumpers can't understand it, I do believe. I just don't need the bible to get there. The oral tradition and the continuity of the Apostolic succession is enough for me.

-Elvis


is the Bible the exact word of God?" It is my belief, and the belief of most catholics, that the bible is the inspired word of god. that it was written by (probably) men with good intentions

So it was written by fallible men. Why then would these fallible men claim to have had the Spirit of God in them so that "they can recall the events of Christ Ministry?" You keep dodging this same question over and over, so I'm going to post the verses for you because I think they are leading you to a corner. *

It is definitely not historically accurate. Even this Father Frank, whoever he is, would agree with that

Did you ask Father Frank? Did you check your CCC to see if you are correct? The CCC does not hold to this blasphemous claim, so therefore you and the "rest of the Catholics" that do are not really Catholics.

Here we go, stop dodging these verses:

2 Timothy 3:16 ]"All scripture is God breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." [/color]

Renee, if Scripture is GOD BREATHED, how can you say the men were infallible? God Himself breathed every word that came out, the men only wrote it in pen.

1 Peter 1:12 "It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things which have now been announced to you by those who preached the good news to you through the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look"

The Holy Spirit of God revealed it to them Renee. You are denying God when you say that the Bible was written by men, therefore it is capable of being erroneous. Think about it *:think:

2 Peter 1:12-21 "Therefore I intend always to remind you of these things, though you know them and are established in the truth that you have. I think it right, as long as I am in this body, to arouse you by way of reminder, since I know that the putting off of my body will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. And I will see to it that after my departure you may be able at any time to recall these things. For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For when he received honor and glory from God the Father and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased," we heard this voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. And we have the prophetic word made more sure. You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."

"But men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God" How does Renee answer this claim? Again, you are NOT denying man, but GOD Himself. There are so many other great verses. Unfortunately, I can't remember them. But these are extremely sufficient enough for a so-so believer of the Bible. Before you respond Renee, please reread these Inspired words of God Himself, written through men. I'm not expecting you to have a good enough answer. Actually, you would have to deny these verses, thus NOT being a Catholic afterall.



"For it is God's will that by doing right you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish men"

"Even if one rises from the dead, they still won't believe"

I leave on this note. I am done speaking to you. I will let the word of God speak for itself. It was great dialouging with you but I am through. Say whatever you want, I have true peace with God. You are just on par with the atheist that don't hold to the Bible as being written by God. You have your proof, don't choke on it. AMEN

Elvis

[renee]

Whether you said the word "false" or not, I think everyone would agree that you implied that by your blasphemous comments.


Ok, let's have a poll.

[maxpower]

she's in LA. I don't think she's near any Chaldean churches near her.

wana bet????

[maxpower]

she's in LA. I don't think she's near any Chaldean churches near her.

Thanks hon, I think I know of the one Samd mentioned. When I go to church I go to one in Beverly Hills. I find the quality of the mass higher and the quality of the congregation better.

I've actually gone to their singles group. If I'm gonna marry a Catholic, he's gonna be rich. LOL

a church is a place where you go and gather your thoughts, it does not matter if it was in beverly hills, or any other place.

rich guy??? *:shock: *two words for you

GOLD DIGGER

[ojeen1981]

she's in LA. I don't think she's near any Chaldean churches near her.

Thanks hon, I think I know of the one Samd mentioned. When I go to church I go to one in Beverly Hills. I find the quality of the mass higher and the quality of the congregation better.

I've actually gone to their singles group. If I'm gonna marry a Catholic, he's gonna be rich. LOL

a church is a place where you go and gather your thoughts, it does not matter if it was in beverly hills, or any other place.

rich guy??? *:shock: *two words for you

GOLD DIGGER


lololol

[renee]

she's in LA. I don't think she's near any Chaldean churches near her.

Thanks hon, I think I know of the one Samd mentioned. When I go to church I go to one in Beverly Hills. I find the quality of the mass higher and the quality of the congregation better.

I've actually gone to their singles group. If I'm gonna marry a Catholic, he's gonna be rich. LOL

a church is a place where you go and gather your thoughts, it does not matter if it was in beverly hills, or any other place.

rich guy??? *:shock: *two words for you

GOLD DIGGER

Which is different than what Chaldeans do every day when they arrange marriages to cousins so that the family wealth is not diluted how?

[maxpower]

no differences..they are called Hungry GOLD DIGGERS as well, why you want to be just like them?