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Sal Izo
07-11-2005, 12:48 AM
Housing Markets Pricing Out Middle Class

By JILL BARTON, Associated Press Writer

Sun Jul 10, 5:35 PM ET

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - The red-hot housing market in booming cities across the country has made the dream of owning a home out of reach, not only for low-income families but also for white-collar professionals.

"Many of the overheated real estate markets throughout the country have become unaffordable for the majority of the population," said Jack McCabe, a housing industry analyst in Deerfield Beach. "Many people are paying well over 50 percent of their income for shelter. It leaves no money for savings or sometimes even for recreation."

After So Young Kim took a teaching job in Florida, her friends in Chicago gushed that she and her husband would be able to afford twice the house when they moved.

Kim had just received a doctorate and a job offer from a university that would double her salary to more than $47,000. But the prices of even small bungalows climbed far beyond what the young couple could afford even when they stretched their target price to an uncomfortable $300,000. So after several disappointing drives around the area and countless Internet searches, they ended up back where they started — in an apartment.

Real estate experts warn that housing prices in many markets are too quickly outpacing the incomes of most workers. The widening gap affects families across the country, from Washington D.C. and Rhode Island to Florida in the South and Nevada and California in the west.

In California, the situation has long been the worst: Only 17 percent of households could afford a home with a median price tag in April, according to the California Association of Realtors.

By May, the median home price in California climbed to $522,590 — more than double the price in most other states. To buy the typical home with monthly payments of $3,067, a California family would need to earn about $122,700 to qualify for a conventional loan.

In other high-cost states, the situation is not much improved. The average family in Florida earns nearly $44,000, which fell 26 percent short of the amount needed to finance a median-priced home last year, according to a study by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.

National statistics show that families can afford a home in many other cities around the country. The typical household earns about $56,323, enough to buy a home costing $250,900 and 133 percent of what's needed to afford the median-priced home of $188,800, said Walter Molony, a spokesman for the National Association of Realtors.

The most expensive housing prices can be explained by the same three reasons that have drawn the biggest spenders for years: location, location, location.

The 10 most exorbitant cities include warm-weather climates along the coast, such as San Francisco, Honolulu and West Palm Beach, and huge urban centers, such as New York and Boston.

To break into these hot markets, buyers are resorting to new and uncertain options for mortgages.

"It's really, really tough for the first-time buyer. The only way to just get in the door is to take advantage of the low-interest rates and the riskier mortgage instruments like the interest-only loans," said Leslie Appleton-Young, the chief economist for the California Association of Realtors.

Buyers are choosing adjustable-rate mortgages that keep payments low for a few months to a few years, or 40-year mortgages that allow them to stretch payments over an additional 10 years.

Fannie Mae, the top buyer and guarantor of home loans, is offering a new program that allows low- and middle-income buyers new ways of qualifying for loans. To help cover the cost of their monthly mortgage payments, applicants can use federal housing vouchers or rent they would receive from relatives or others living with them.

"The down payment used to be the issue, but the problem now is that housing prices have climbed so quickly that a lot of consumers are struggling to make their payments affordable," said David Dworkin, vice president for community lending partnerships.

In Florida, Kim said she feels the skyrocketing housing prices have left her and many others behind, and that they have no chance of catching up. When she received her job offer, she and her husband excitedly pored through Internet real estate ads, looking at pictures of bungalows and back yards where she imagined their three young children would play. But since they moved into the rental apartment in Boca Raton, they have not even tried to look at any homes for sale.

"It seems to me the biggest difficulty is buying the first house," said Kim, an assistant professor of political science at Florida Atlantic University. "Once you have the first house, it's easier to move up to a bigger house,"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050710/ap_on_bi_ge/unaffordable_american_dream

renee
07-11-2005, 01:01 AM
the middle class oughta work harder

missbaghdad
07-11-2005, 01:33 AM
It's so expensive in california! when I was in Michigan, I was surprised at how less expensive housing is. You can get a condo there for $160,000+ in some of the best neighborhoods. Here in California, you're LUCKY if you find a 1 bedroom condo for under $300,000.

It's ridiculous. I hope this real estate bubble pops and prices stabilize.

John_5_24
07-11-2005, 06:47 AM
It's so expensive in california! when I was in Michigan, I was surprised at how less expensive housing is. You can get a condo there for $160,000+ in some of the best neighborhoods. Here in California, you're LUCKY if you find a 1 bedroom condo for under $300,000.

It's ridiculous. I hope this real estate bubble pops and prices stabilize.

You hope the bubble pops??? * MissBaghdad, the real estate bubble is about the only thing that has kept our economy going the last 5 years. *I understand the problem with housing costs, but if the bubble popped, you would have much bigger problems on your hands.

renee
07-11-2005, 05:31 PM
It's ridiculous. I hope this real estate bubble pops and prices stabilize.

You obviously don't own real estate.

SamIAM™
07-12-2005, 09:37 AM
dont pop, dont pop dont pop *[-o<


hold on, what EXACTLY happens when it pops ?

renee
07-12-2005, 09:38 AM
dont pop, dont pop dont pop *[-o<


hold on, what EXACTLY happens when it pops ?

You lose your equity that's what happens. But don't worry baby, Alan Greenspan said it won't. And he's always right.

sammiedebull
07-15-2005, 02:22 PM
you know the housing market is crazy, i think that houses are way over priced, its not really the quality or size of the house anymore, its where it is located!

also this housing boom will continue for quite sometime because you have the baby boomers all buying retiurement and vacation homes and than you have thier kids who are now graduating our of college and getting married and they are also ready and looking for homes, i expect this will go on for quite a while.

renee
07-15-2005, 07:06 PM
It's only overpriced to you bc you can't afford to buy. To those of us who could, it wasn't overpriced.

Work harder, stop complaining.

sammiedebull
07-15-2005, 08:38 PM
its not anyone complaining, its obvious that the 10 year rate compared to now is not resonable, we could be sitting on a bubble but that bubble wont burst anytime soon.

Basically 10 years ago my parents baught our house for 50,000 in a nice middle class neighborhood. My dad was making 40k after taxed which means if my dad worked really hard and saved up in a smart manner than he could save up and buy th house in full within 2-4 years.

Now however the Middle Class is making 60,000 after tax (maybe) and the average home for a middle class family is $240,000. Now think about it, when we baught our house, my father would be able to pay it off in a couple years, now it would take this family 6-8 years just to save up.

The reality is that wages have not surged but prices in the housing markets have. I do not really credit this to the quality in homes but to the express in demand.

I am a independent leaning towards the right so I am fine with this because i like when the market demands prices because this creates an oppertunity for people to make money.

The problem stems a bit more than that, as prices rise it means that both in the home need to work full time jobs which in return means the mother does not have the "option" to stay home and take care of the kids.

Greenspan is right in the short term but not in the long term, it will come to a point where demand will simply fall. As people begin to have less kids and the elders living longer, the housing market is due for a burst. It will not happen in the short term, but eventually it will happen.

The interest rates do help a bit but remmeber that a lot of people are not stuck on a fixed interest rate which means as rates go up than so do thier monthly price. We are also sieng a record high in people losing thier homes because they cannot make the payment.

Its simply a matter of time and we will see what happens. I do think that a comment that renee shows her ignorance "It's only overpriced to you bc you can't afford to buy. To those of us who could, it wasn't overpriced."

I do agree that the harder you work the more money you make and the more you can have but remmeber that prices are a bit out of control for your average person. 1 million dollars to get a small loft in harlem :) come on!

John_5_24
07-16-2005, 03:44 PM
sammie, i can empathize with your comments, but this isn't anything new.

Historically, housing prices have gone up about 6% a year, while personal income goes up about 2-4% a year. *You don't have to be a math major to see the problem here.

My dad told me a long time ago to buy a house ASAP because that gets you in the game. *If your house is appreciating at the same rate as others, at least you are building equity.

As far as particular areas, I know taht Cali is outrageous. *I just had friends purchase a two bedroom condo in San Diego for a little over $350,000. *The same type of place here in the Detroit area is about 150k-200k.

I think hte bubble will pop in a couple years as more and more homes are forclosed on with homeowners "taking advantage" of gimmick mortgages. *Interest only and 1 or 3 year ARMs are horrible for 99% of people, but more and more people are using them.

It's a recipe for disaster, not only for the housing market, but for the economy in general.

sammiedebull
07-16-2005, 03:52 PM
well said, good explanation. Yes, you see the problem is that people were pumping money in to stocks in the 90's, that exploded in the "normal" guys face, now in the 2000's its the housing market, if that explodes in the "normal" gusy face and people loose thier homes because they are dumb and keep re-financing and doing other things such as getting huge loans and forclosing. Now is that market explodes than people will simply save money and keep it in the bank and no one will be spending.

This is a big problem because in the 90's they were pumping money in to the markets, by doing so, the markets would invest that money thus creating a surge in the economy. After that burst people figured out real estate is the way togo because its something tangable and hence they would buy property and get huge loans and as john said they would fall for stuid gimmics, the good thing is when people buy property, the first thing they do is enhance it, they buy things, they repair and this pumps money in to the economy. Now if housing and real estate dies than we are in for a big problem.

We will see, it seems like expectations are way to high these days for different markets.

renee
07-17-2005, 09:50 AM
you are just very arrogant. I am sorry to say that.

don't be sorry, i am arrogant. I'm also right. keep complaining about the prices while you live in your mommy's house and drive your boater cadillac. you'll never get one that way.

sammiedebull
07-17-2005, 10:52 AM
haha, if only you knew ;)

sammiedebull
07-17-2005, 10:55 AM
Also by age 33, I am 110% sure that i will have 10x more than you have. Thats important but atleast I will have a family i can turn back to, i can have kids, i can live my life and not look back and think what if.

Your sense of "greatness" or "thinking" you are better than everyone else is taking you in the wrong direction, when you hit 40 and you are in the same situation you will regret your way of thinking and life.

we all know you are some 33 year old who puts on a front, everyone here has figured you out already.

Get your priorities straight, in 5-6 years, you will be 40 and no one will look at you the same way.

renee
07-17-2005, 02:14 PM
Also by age 33, I am 110% sure that i will have 10x more than you have. Thats important but atleast I will have a family i can turn back to, i can have kids, i can live my life and not look back and think what if.

Your sense of "greatness" or "thinking" you are better than everyone else is taking you in the wrong direction, when you hit 40 and you are in the same situation you will regret your way of thinking and life.

we all know you are some 33 year old who puts on a front, everyone here has figured you out already.

Get your priorities straight, in 5-6 years, you will be 40 and no one will look at you the same way.

A house on the beach (right, on the beach) in Manhattan Beach, CA. Look it up!!!

And at 40, should I decide not to get married by then, I'll still be dating the 40 something men I currently date. Unless I decide to give the 20 somethings a chance.

maxpower
07-17-2005, 02:28 PM
RENEE UR FULL OF IT...BUT HEY LIKE SAMMIE SAID..WE ALL GOT FAMILIES TO FALL BACK TO... AND WHAT YOU GOT... u can have all the money, and the nice house, but where is the family, and the love ???

sammiedebull
07-17-2005, 02:33 PM
^^ God Bless, we disagree on a lot of things but we agree on this one ^^

Money can be made and lost, family cannot!

UmiSayz
07-17-2005, 03:16 PM
Everyone needs family. You'd be crazy to think otherwise.

sammiedebull
07-17-2005, 03:17 PM
exactly, even though they PISS us off at times, they do nto let us do what we want, they make us crazy but at the end of the day, If no one is there, you family will be there. Usually your family will NOT dump you, you will dump your family and almost 100% of the time your family will always take you back.

renee
07-17-2005, 06:32 PM
exactly, even though they PISS us off at times, they do nto let us do what we want, they make us crazy but at the end of the day, If no one is there, you family will be there. Usually your family will NOT dump you, you will dump your family and almost 100% of the time your family will always take you back.

Good to hear. So if I ever need them, I'll go back. But I'll tell u something. I'll never need them. I may want them again, but I'll never NEED them for anything.

And I have this nephew (he's the oldest at 18 ) , he wants to be "just like aunt Renee.) I suspect his sisters and cousins will too. He's going east to school and will come west to spend next summer with me.

Rita
07-20-2005, 02:16 AM
you guys are getting off topic once again. Get back on it! :roll:

maxpower
07-20-2005, 02:36 AM
you guys are getting off topic once again. Get back on it! :roll:

NOOOOO :twisted: .. make me *:mrgreen: *:goofy:

sammiedebull
07-21-2005, 10:13 AM
why were my posts deleted? the truth hurts?

sammiedebull
07-21-2005, 10:14 AM
nonsense i tell you!

sammiedebull
07-21-2005, 10:44 PM
Nice article :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050721/us_nm/property_losangeles_dc

renee
07-22-2005, 04:34 PM
Good article. Beach houses are expensive but it's sooo worth the benefit of living at the beach.

sammiedebull
07-22-2005, 04:48 PM
In A Trailer :)

renee
07-22-2005, 07:21 PM
A trailer on the beach in Southern California is better than a mansion in Birmingham or Grosse Pointe.

sammiedebull
07-22-2005, 08:13 PM
haha, boy you really are brainwahsed :)

missbaghdad
07-23-2005, 03:07 PM
That's BS that my posts were deleted.

Whatever. *:roll:

sammiedebull
07-23-2005, 03:17 PM
same here!!!

sammiedebull
07-24-2005, 12:49 AM
I read a great article about this today, all indications say the market will stay hot for a while.

Rita
07-24-2005, 01:49 AM
I deleted many useless posts that had nothing to do with the topic... not to mention all the attacks on one another. Funny thing is, you guys are about 2 start again. I'll continue 2 filter out useless posts and attacks or just lock the threads if it gets out of hand.

sammiedebull
07-24-2005, 02:45 PM
you and i know whats going on.