will Chaldean Culture die away one day!!??

[maxpower]

I have to admit, I never understood the prosperity and the magnificence of the Chaldean Culture, and how amazing it is. I grew up surrounding myself with non-chaldean people, thus I formed this negativity toward the culture, and because of the rumors I take notice of about the group.

But really those just individuals who tend to devastate it for the culture itself, I never felt so proud of being Chaldean now, then ever before. And at times I wish that I could at least of tried to discover beautiful language.

Sadly enough, our Culture is fading away, as new generations arise. We as Chaldeans are shattered all over the world, mainly in westernized countries. We tend to adopt other westernized cultures and forget our roots. Culture is a concept that is carefully considered in several meanings, and the application of these meanings to the world environment. What I do believe that culture is a behavior pattern that is passed on from one generation to another, but it could be altered through changes, depends on the places these objects reside.

My Question is… Do you think that the Chaldean Culture will die away one day, or you feel that we are going to stand strong and pass on our traditions to the next generations?







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[renee]

I think many Chaldeans believe that the way to prevent this is to insulate ourselves from other cultures. I disagree.

Other ethnic groups in the US have successfully maintainted their cultural identities while assimilating. Look around you in Detroit. The Italians, Greeks, Poles, Irish, etc all have national identities AND they have assimilated.

By trying to prevent assimilation, I think Chaldean parents force their children to completely reject the culture. I know, because I have gone full circle. If the culture is so good (and I now believe it is) what do we have to worry about? The Greeks still go to Greek churches. They learn their language. They dance their dances. And they eat their foods. So do the Italians, Irish, Poles, etc. But yet they are part of the warp and woof of American society. I think our community needs to wake up.

[DarkEyes18]

I think the best way to solve the "problem" is for people to embrace their culture. Personally, I never have known much of my herritage. If you would have asked me 5 years ago what an Assyrian was I'd say someone from Syria. Sure 18 might be a little late to get into it, but I'm trying to learn some of the language and the culture as best I can on my own. *And I totally agree with Renee, we can have our culture and our identity and still be Americans as well. Come on, if the Greek can do it, so can we!

[ojeen1981]

“Double Consciousness” the philosophical concept by W.E.B Dubois perhaps best describes the attempt of any minority living anywhere to be self realized and at the same time a part of the dominant culture in which they reside in. *
Having said that, chaldeans are in grave danger of loosing their identity. *Without a doubt, we need more educational institutions to awaken people from their dogmatic slumber and to surface who we are as a people. *at the same time, chaldeans must adopt American idiosyncrasies, which many of them already did. *The point is to adapt to the culture, but do not assimilate into it and erase the rich and beauty of what our very own culture has (just like how other culture have as well). *

Doubt = questions = answers = academia = intellectual = awaking = institutions.

If the chaldean community partake on that idealistic path, than our culture will survive despite of the odds…..

Our best examples are the Armenians and Jews!

[maxpower]

i agree with both of you...we need to step it up a notch.. and look at other cultures as an example

[Samuel]

“Double Consciousness” the philosophical concept by W.E.B Dubois perhaps best describes the attempt of any minority living anywhere to be self realized and at the same time a part of the dominant culture in which they reside in. * *
Having said that, chaldeans are in grave danger of loosing their identity. *
*
Double-consciouness assumes that the particular minority in question has been severely stigmatized and conditioned to feel inferior by the ruling class. *Had we been the Chinese-Americans of the 19th century, the *African Americans of the Harlem Renaissance, or even maybe the Latinos of the Chicano movement who negotiated a counter-identity to the one that was assigned to them by society, then your intro to sociology lesson would be applicable. *However, Chaldeans of the 20th-21st century don't necessary face the stigmas that minorities of the past faced. *Our numbers are so small, that we're hardly recognized by the narrow periphery of mainstream culture, let alone labeled and stereotyped. * *
*
Everyone here seems to praise a Chaldean culture that I am seemingly unfamiliar with. *Although it may seem foolish, I will ask anyway. *
*
What culture are you people talking about? * *
*
To be honest, I have yet to see any tangible form of Chaldean culture. *Where are the arts? *Where are the thinkers outside of liquor stores and ROMAN CATHOLIC Bible studies? *Where are the system of beliefs unique to the Chaldean people? *So we have a unique language... *That's one of the first steps in creating a culture. *Languages are good. *But they don't make a culture complete. *


By trying to prevent assimilation, I think Chaldean parents force their children to completely reject the culture. I know, because I have gone full circle. If the culture is so good (and I now believe it is) what do we have to worry about?

I like this idea to an extent. *But again. *I can't convince myself that the culture consists of anything substantial enough for it to receive immediate attention. *Quite frankly, if all that Chaldean culture is, comes down to self-oppression, materialism, allegiance to a foreign church, and an outdated ideology requiring one's children to meet unreasonable expectations so that the fvcker you call your brother doesn't call your daughter a whore for using a phone -- then i'd be more than happy for it to disappear once and for all.

[sammiedebull]

actually a lot of chaldean people are marrying outside thier culture.

it is a matter of time before it wil going to be gone. but who knows.

[UmiSayz]

Nothing matters in this life. Afterlife is what i'm seeking. Language, cultures, colors means nothing to me here. Respect and being a good person, faithful is all what matters right now.

[ojeen1981]

“Double Consciousness” the philosophical concept by W.E.B Dubois perhaps best describes the attempt of any minority living anywhere to be self realized and at the same time a part of the dominant culture in which they reside in. * *
Having said that, chaldeans are in grave danger of loosing their identity. *
*
Double-consciouness assumes that the particular minority in question has been severely stigmatized and conditioned to feel inferior by the ruling class. *Had we been the Chinese-Americans of the 19th century, the *African Americans of the Harlem Renaissance, or even maybe the Latinos of the Chicano movement who negotiated a counter-identity to the one that was assigned to them by society, then your intro to sociology lesson would be applicable. *However, Chaldeans of the 20th-21st century don't necessary face the stigmas that minorities of the past faced. *Our numbers are so small, that we're hardly recognized by the narrow periphery of mainstream culture, let alone labeled and stereotyped. * *
*
Everyone here seems to praise a Chaldean culture that I am seemingly unfamiliar with. *Although it may seem foolish, I will ask anyway. *
*
What culture are you people talking about? * *
*
To be honest, I have yet to see any tangible form of Chaldean culture. *Where are the arts? *Where are the thinkers outside of liquor stores and ROMAN CATHOLIC Bible studies? *Where are the system of beliefs unique to the Chaldean people? *So we have a unique language... *That's one of the first steps in creating a culture. *Languages are good. *But they don't make a culture complete. *


By trying to prevent assimilation, I think Chaldean parents force their children to completely reject the culture. I know, because I have gone full circle. If the culture is so good (and I now believe it is) what do we have to worry about?

I like this idea to an extent. *But again. *I can't convince myself that the culture consists of anything substantial enough for it to receive immediate attention. *Quite frankly, if all that Chaldean culture is, comes down to self-oppression, materialism, allegiance to a foreign church, and an outdated ideology requiring one's children to meet unreasonable expectations so that the fvcker you call your brother doesn't call your daughter a whore for using a phone -- then i'd be more than happy for it to disappear once and for all.

excellent historical perspective samd. *What i was trying to do is use the philosophical idea of Double Consciousness and apply it to our people as a whole. *and you are totaly right, we need educational insitutions to awaken people and let them know what our culture is. *we need more syriac/chaldean/assyrain intellectuals who are open minded to the world around them and are not stuck on some small ideology that they have adopted. *to me, besides our cultural Idynosyncrises we must know educational and historical past.

[maxpower]

“Double Consciousness” the philosophical concept by W.E.B Dubois perhaps best describes the attempt of any minority living anywhere to be self realized and at the same time a part of the dominant culture in which they reside in. * *
Having said that, chaldeans are in grave danger of loosing their identity. *
*
Double-consciouness assumes that the particular minority in question has been severely stigmatized and conditioned to feel inferior by the ruling class. *Had we been the Chinese-Americans of the 19th century, the *African Americans of the Harlem Renaissance, or even maybe the Latinos of the Chicano movement who negotiated a counter-identity to the one that was assigned to them by society, then your intro to sociology lesson would be applicable. *However, Chaldeans of the 20th-21st century don't necessary face the stigmas that minorities of the past faced. *Our numbers are so small, that we're hardly recognized by the narrow periphery of mainstream culture, let alone labeled and stereotyped. * *
*
Everyone here seems to praise a Chaldean culture that I am seemingly unfamiliar with. *Although it may seem foolish, I will ask anyway. *
*
What culture are you people talking about? * *
*
To be honest, I have yet to see any tangible form of Chaldean culture. *Where are the arts? *Where are the thinkers outside of liquor stores and ROMAN CATHOLIC Bible studies? *Where are the system of beliefs unique to the Chaldean people? *So we have a unique language... *That's one of the first steps in creating a culture. *Languages are good. *But they don't make a culture complete. *


By trying to prevent assimilation, I think Chaldean parents force their children to completely reject the culture. I know, because I have gone full circle. If the culture is so good (and I now believe it is) what do we have to worry about?

I like this idea to an extent. *But again. *I can't convince myself that the culture consists of anything substantial enough for it to receive immediate attention. *Quite frankly, if all that Chaldean culture is, comes down to self-oppression, materialism, allegiance to a foreign church, and an outdated ideology requiring one's children to meet unreasonable expectations so that the fvcker you call your brother doesn't call your daughter a whore for using a phone -- then i'd be more than happy for it to disappear once and for all.

sam..what part of this you do not seem to understand

But really those just individuals who tend to devastate it for the culture

the liqure stors is not part of a culture, they are sources of living, just like the persians and their CARPET STORES, as you know very well how the persians got all their carpet stores scattered all over downtown LA. and the self oppression, materializm, i see it with the persians as well, evern worse when it comes to it.

it looks like to me you are having a personal attack against the culture itself, now that is offensive to me, and i would ask you nicely to stop, like i said not all chaldeans are the same, and everyone is responsible for their own actions.

bottom line, you lost it here buddy, am more concern about the traditions of our culture, and the teachings, the language, an so on, not the people and how they precive themselves.

[ojeen1981]

yea maxpower, i agree with u as well. *our language, teachings, food, traditions, our idiosyncrasies, for these things to surface we need educational insitutions, and like i said before, we have the jews and armenians as best examples to learn from (even though they have their own country where we dont).

[dlchaldo79]

Hopefully It Wont Die.my Children Will Learn Sureth First,learn Our Culture,respect For Themselves And People Who Deserve It,my Wife And I Will Raise Our Children Not Some Baby Sitter,they Will Grow Up Wtih There Lil Cousins And Other Chaldeans.they Will Learn To Hit Anyone That ****s With Them And There Family.they Will Have Straight A's In School While There Working There Ass Off With Whatever My Profession Is Gonna Be.they Will Be Smacked If They Get Out Of Line.if U Can Show Them That Respect Is Golden In Life Then They Will Hold On To There Culture Very Tight

[Samuel]

“Double Consciousness” the philosophical concept by W.E.B Dubois perhaps best describes the attempt of any minority living anywhere to be self realized and at the same time a part of the dominant culture in which they reside in. * *
Having said that, chaldeans are in grave danger of loosing their identity. *
*
Double-consciouness assumes that the particular minority in question has been severely stigmatized and conditioned to feel inferior by the ruling class. *Had we been the Chinese-Americans of the 19th century, the *African Americans of the Harlem Renaissance, or even maybe the Latinos of the Chicano movement who negotiated a counter-identity to the one that was assigned to them by society, then your intro to sociology lesson would be applicable. *However, Chaldeans of the 20th-21st century don't necessary face the stigmas that minorities of the past faced. *Our numbers are so small, that we're hardly recognized by the narrow periphery of mainstream culture, let alone labeled and stereotyped. * *
*
Everyone here seems to praise a Chaldean culture that I am seemingly unfamiliar with. *Although it may seem foolish, I will ask anyway. *
*
What culture are you people talking about? * *
*
To be honest, I have yet to see any tangible form of Chaldean culture. *Where are the arts? *Where are the thinkers outside of liquor stores and ROMAN CATHOLIC Bible studies? *Where are the system of beliefs unique to the Chaldean people? *So we have a unique language... *That's one of the first steps in creating a culture. *Languages are good. *But they don't make a culture complete. *


By trying to prevent assimilation, I think Chaldean parents force their children to completely reject the culture. I know, because I have gone full circle. If the culture is so good (and I now believe it is) what do we have to worry about?

I like this idea to an extent. *But again. *I can't convince myself that the culture consists of anything substantial enough for it to receive immediate attention. *Quite frankly, if all that Chaldean culture is, comes down to self-oppression, materialism, allegiance to a foreign church, and an outdated ideology requiring one's children to meet unreasonable expectations so that the fvcker you call your brother doesn't call your daughter a whore for using a phone -- then i'd be more than happy for it to disappear once and for all.

sam..what part of this you do not seem to understand

But really those just individuals who tend to devastate it for the culture

the liqure stors is not part of a culture, they are sources of living, just like the persians and their CARPET STORES, as you know very well how the persians got all their carpet stores scattered all over downtown LA. and the self oppression, materializm, i see it with the persians as well, evern worse when it comes to it.

it looks like to me you are having a personal attack against the culture itself, now that is offensive to me, and i would ask you nicely to stop, like i said not all chaldeans are the same, and everyone is responsible for their own actions.

bottom line, you lost it here buddy, am more concern about the traditions of our culture, and the teachings, the language, an so on, not the people and how they precive themselves.

I wont get in this with you because you already think you've proven me wrong without even making a damn point. *

Btw. *I'm not persian. *I'm iranian. *And there's a hell of a lot that's respectable about their culture. *Besides escalades on 23'. * :roll:

[UmiSayz]

haha, what, about 96% ;)

samd, yes, i am.


Yeh mostly are Shia but theres also Christians (assyrians and i think chaldeans).

[Samuel]

haha, what, about 96% ;)

samd, yes, i am.


Yeh mostly are Shia but theres also Christians (assyrians and i think chaldeans).


And a lot of Armenians.

[Emily]

Hopefully It Wont Die.my Children Will Learn Sureth First,learn Our Culture,respect For Themselves And People Who Deserve It,my Wife And I Will Raise Our Children Not Some Baby Sitter,they Will Grow Up Wtih There Lil Cousins And Other Chaldeans.they Will Learn To Hit Anyone That *With Them And There Family.they Will Have Straight A's In School While There Working There Ass Off With Whatever My Profession Is Gonna Be.they Will Be Smacked If They Get Out Of Line.no Actling Like Lil White Children In My Family.if U Can Show Them That Respect Is Golden In Life Then They Will Hold On To There Culture Very Tight

Whoooooooooo the **** do you think you are? your not going to raise your children like white children? So basically theyre going to be like every other little chaldean child out there, running their households, telling their mothers what to do, drinking, smoking, sneaking out of thier houses, sleeping with everygirl they meet letting them know its OK TO CHEAT ON THEIER WIVES, dropping out of school working in their party stores? are they going to learn how to disrespect white women and treat them as if they were whores, *is that how your children are going to be raised, I mean that is everything opposite of a white kid, is it not? Im sorry if i offended anyone but i happened to be skimming through this thread and I noticed jack a s s e s response! were you dropped on your head many times as a child, or did you just step off the boat? You are an ignorant peice of shit for saying that--like white kids are you ****ing serious right now? *In your head do you think that chaldeans can raise thier children different from what we can? *Let me give you a bit of a newsflash boater, there is no differnce between whites or chaldeans or even blacks! no race is better than any other and i feel bad for your future children BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE RAISED LIKE ****ING MONKEYS! YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE SAYING THAT I DONT KNOW IF YOU LIVE IN A BUBBLE OR NOT, BUT LET ME POP IT FOR YOU NO RACE IS SUPERIOR TO THE NEXT, CHALDEANS DONT RAISE THEIR CHILDREN BETTER THAN A WHITE FAMILY COULD AND VICE VERSA. EVERYBODY MAKES MISTAKES TRUST ME YOUR NOT PERFECT, NOBODY IS. IM SO SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING THIS SHIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, CHALDEANS DO THIS BETTER THAN WHITE FAMILIES, **** ALL OF THAT! THATS STUPID, BECAUSE THERES JUST ENOUGH ****ED UP CHALDEANS AS THERE IS WHITE PEOPLE OUT THERE. YOU REALLY NEED A REALITY CHECK, I NEED TO CALM DOWN BECAUSE HOW PISSED OFF YOU HAVE MADE ME, YOUR IGNORANT AND ITS FOR PEOPLE OUT THERE LIKE YOU WHO MAKE THIS WORLD ****ED UP.

[Emily]

Hopefully It Wont Die.my Children Will Learn Sureth First,learn Our Culture,respect For Themselves And People Who Deserve It,my Wife And I Will Raise Our Children Not Some Baby Sitter,they Will Grow Up Wtih There Lil Cousins And Other Chaldeans.they Will Learn To Hit Anyone That *With Them And There Family.they Will Have Straight A's In School While There Working There Ass Off With Whatever My Profession Is Gonna Be.they Will Be Smacked If They Get Out Of Line.no Actling Like Lil White Children In My Family.if U Can Show Them That Respect Is Golden In Life Then They Will Hold On To There Culture Very Tight


I SUGGEST IF YOU DONT LIKE THE WAY IT IS HERE YOU PACK ALL YOUR SHIT UP AND ROW YOUR ASS BACK HOME *:roll:

[maxpower]

i think emily is mad *:computer:

listen buddy..never upset a white chick, *:punch:

yoo emily..relax have a beer on me :beer:

speaking of monkeys, lool :monkey:

[sammiedebull]

wow emily, relax.

I kind of see what he is saying, basically he is saying he wants to raise his kids with the chaldean culture in mind. He wants to make sure that his kids do not pick up on some of the traits that "some" white kids pick up such as drugs, etc. I am sure he said white kids because they are obviously the majority and dominant race and the biggest is always made example of.

I also believe that it is very very important to raise your children with culture and values in mind. Remember that the thread was about the "chaldean culture and whether it is dieng".

[Rita]

lmfaooo... traits of white kids such as drugs???? Sorry, I have 2 agree with Emily here. The majority of our people do drugs and many are known as big time drug dealers. Many have also died violently because of their lifestyle.

[renee]

Hopefully It Wont Die.my Children Will Learn Sureth First,learn Our Culture,respect For Themselves And People Who Deserve It,my Wife And I Will Raise Our Children Not Some Baby Sitter,they Will Grow Up Wtih There Lil Cousins And Other Chaldeans.they Will Learn To Hit Anyone That *With Them And There Family.they Will Have Straight A's In School While There Working There Ass Off With Whatever My Profession Is Gonna Be.they Will Be Smacked If They Get Out Of Line.no Actling Like Lil White Children In My Family.if U Can Show Them That Respect Is Golden In Life Then They Will Hold On To There Culture Very Tight


I SUGGEST IF YOU DONT LIKE THE WAY IT IS HERE YOU PACK ALL YOUR SHIT UP AND ROW YOUR ASS BACK HOME *:roll:

Go Emily. I have been fighting a-holes like this my whole life. Maybe I need to get back to MI to teach a class on it.

[renee]

lmfaooo... traits of white kids such as drugs???? Sorry, I have 2 agree with Emily here. The majority of our people do drugs and many are known as big time drug dealers. Many have also died violently because of their lifestyle.

Yeah, No chaldean kid has ever done drugs or had sex bf marriage. The language, well teach it if you want. I personally don't speak it but knowledge is power so knowing more languages is better. Just remember to teach them the language of the modern world --- English

[maxpower]

Hopefully It Wont Die.my Children Will Learn Sureth First,learn Our Culture,respect For Themselves And People Who Deserve It,my Wife And I Will Raise Our Children Not Some Baby Sitter,they Will Grow Up Wtih There Lil Cousins And Other Chaldeans.they Will Learn To Hit Anyone That *With Them And There Family.they Will Have Straight A's In School While There Working There Ass Off With Whatever My Profession Is Gonna Be.they Will Be Smacked If They Get Out Of Line.no Actling Like Lil White Children In My Family.if U Can Show Them That Respect Is Golden In Life Then They Will Hold On To There Culture Very Tight


I SUGGEST IF YOU DONT LIKE THE WAY IT IS HERE YOU PACK ALL YOUR SHIT UP AND ROW YOUR ASS BACK HOME *:roll:

Go Emily. I have been fighting a-holes like this my whole life. Maybe I need to get back to MI to teach a class on it.

THAT SEEMS LIKE A PERSONAL ISSUE TO ME

[sammiedebull]

Lets compare renee and olivia, or renee and greenie, which one would you rather have to be your daughter :) come on!

olivia and greenie try to follow the chaldean culture and norms while renee has taken the extreme amwerican life style. This is not to say they are all like this but it does seem like the american life style allows things which the chaldean/middle eastern cultures do not allow. NOT EXTREMES, for example, a couple who have kids and are at a relatives house will kiss in front of everyone in and touch up and down in from of people and in front of kids, so basically what you are telling the kids is hey, this is ok, go do it. this is the kind of thing that is allowed in the american culture, i doubt it will be tolerated in the chaldean/middle eastern cultures.

[Rita]

sammie.. u r wrong 2 bring people up and compare!! u do not know anyone's lifestyle or what anyone does behind closed doors. How do you know Renee is the type of person that will do anything in fron of children and the rest won't? Maybe she won't and the others will. There's not so much difference. All in all, 3 of these girls date, maybe they have not gone as far as Renee has sexually but what will there life be like at age 33?

Also, your point about not kissing in front of your children or holding hands is retarded. My parents have never kissed in front of us or anything like that. I wish they were more open 2 each other and show us it is ok 2 love 1 another. Sometimes I question if they are really in love. I honestly think they love each other but not completely & utterly in love. This is wrong also because u r sending your kids the message that not showing your emotions is ok and true love doesn't exist. Also, I'm pretty sure no one would take it to the extreme and do anything pervogative in fron of children. :roll:

[sammiedebull]

yes, but in front of others peoples kids!!! come on! you need to be a role model to your kids, grabbing, grasping, touching in front of them teaches them that this is normal.

I ton know, i guess its fair to say there is good and bad everywhere but i believethat some cultures have more respect than others, in general that is.

[UmiSayz]

Yeh? Kissing and touching is nothing! Try walkin in on your parents. :(

[Rita]

yes, but in front of others peoples kids!!! come on! you need to be a role model to your kids, grabbing, grasping, touching in front of them teaches them that this is normal.

I ton know, i guess its fair to say there is good and bad everywhere but i believethat some cultures have more respect than others, in general that is.

ok now you're making a generalization. Has Renee ever said she'd do this? NO!!!! I don't even know who does.

[Emily]

Lets compare renee and olivia, or renee and greenie, which one would you rather have to be your daughter :) come on!

olivia and greenie try to follow the chaldean culture and norms while renee has taken the extreme amwerican life style. This is not to say they are all like this but it does seem like the american life style allows things which the chaldean/middle eastern cultures do not allow. NOT EXTREMES, for example, a couple who have kids and are at a relatives house will kiss in front of everyone in and touch up and down in from of people and in front of kids, so basically what you are telling the kids is hey, this is ok, go do it. this is the kind of thing that is allowed in the american culture, i doubt it will be tolerated in the chaldean/middle eastern cultures.


ummmmmmm are you sheltered? *:roll: Growing up I have never ever seen my parents or other relatives grope one another :roll: *nor has anyone I have ever known. where do you get this shit?

[Emily]

Yeh? Kissing and touching is nothing! Try walkin in on your parents. :(

been there done that *:disgusted: !!!! But its not because they were out in the open, they were behind closed doors and I opened thier door without knocking, its not a white thing. *Many children have walked in on thier parents :roll:


And sammie what you said about some cultures have more respect than others, i totally disagree, I mean really where do you come up with this shit?

and as for whom would i rather have for my daughter? Renee, shes not afraid to be who she wants to be! Shes making it on her own, shes grown up to be an intelligent smart young woman. She stood up to her parents. Im not hating on olivia and greenie, but Renee knows what she wants in life and is going after it and all of her mistakes are learning experiences. and thats whats making her the woman she is today

[Emily]

wow emily, relax.

I kind of see what he is saying, basically he is saying he wants to raise his kids with the chaldean culture in mind. He wants to make sure that his kids do not pick up on some of the traits that "some" white kids pick up such as drugs, etc. I am sure he said white kids because they are obviously the majority and dominant race and the biggest is always made example of.

I also believe that it is very very important to raise your children with culture and values in mind. Remember that the thread was about the "chaldean culture and whether it is dieng".


ok so if he says hes wanting to raise his children with the chaldean culture in mind why the hell did he use white kids as an example?

i mean come on, take the bars for example, you dont see many white guys walking in and starting fights with anyone, do you? there has not been one night where i have gone out to the bar and there hasnt been a fight between chaldos! they act like freaking monkeys! How often do you see white guys cheating on thier girlfriends, 1 out of 10 chaldeans guys i have met do not cheat on their partners! *so going out starting fights, sticking thier penises in anything and raising your children to believe they are better than everyone else * is apart of the chaldean culture huh? well good luck on raising your children :alright: *:roll:

[Emily]

Lets compare renee and olivia, or renee and greenie, which one would you rather have to be your daughter :) come on!

olivia and greenie try to follow the chaldean culture and norms while renee has taken the extreme amwerican life style. This is not to say they are all like this but it does seem like the american life style allows things which the chaldean/middle eastern cultures do not allow. NOT EXTREMES, for example, a couple who have kids and are at a relatives house will kiss in front of everyone in and touch up and down in from of people and in front of kids, so basically what you are telling the kids is hey, this is ok, go do it. this is the kind of thing that is allowed in the american culture, i doubt it will be tolerated in the chaldean/middle eastern cultures.


there is nothing wrong with that! you live here and adapt or you will be the outcast! you can keep your culture alive all you want marry someone who has the same values, but whos to say if your kids will or your kid's kid's will.

[Rita]

ok Emily, now you're saying white kids don't do these things and don't chaet on one another. Are u kidding me? It basically evens out. White guys DO cheat, white people GET divorces, and they also do drugs. There are white guys who do start fights with one another, I have seen it happen sooooooo many times. Maybe if you started hanging out at a predominantly white bar you'd notice it rather than chaldean owned bars that have maybe like 5 white people in them. I'm sure they're smart and don't want 2 cause trouble at a bar that they are outcasted in.

It's one thing 2 say people are wrong and letting them know they do these things but it's another 2 deny that white people don't do these things also. Both groups do the same shit.

[UmiSayz]

There are white guys who do start fights with one another, I have seen it happen sooooooo many times.



Is it because they're fighting over you? :think: *Sorry i just had to. ;) *:angel:

[sammiedebull]

I am not saying white people are bad emily, that is not my intention, there are some white people who are 100% better than chaldeans/arabs and vise versa. I just believe that the way chaldeans/arabs follow thier culture is really special, you feel a sort of family, a sort of trust.

[maxpower]

YOU PEOPLE ARE RUINING MY THREAD :roll: ...DAMNN IT... NOW STOP FIGHTING :starwars: *WITH EACH OTHER, AND STICK TO THE TOPIC....

OH AND EMILY, STOP HIGH JACKING MY THREAD, LOL *:smackbottom:

[sammiedebull]

yes emily, stop! :)

[Rita]

dumb white bitch! LMAOOOOOOOOOO j/k :lol:

[sammiedebull]

hehe.

[renee]

I am not saying white people are bad emily, that is not my intention, there are some white people who are 100% better than chaldeans/arabs and vise versa. I just believe that the way chaldeans/arabs follow thier culture is really special, you feel a sort of family, a sort of trust.

This is like a white person (up state mi) saying "oh those Arabs, their not all so bad. I knew a nice one once."

Parts of the chaldean culture make us special. And other parts of the Chaldean culture make us backward. And still other parts of the Chaldean culture are just stupid (especially the ones that treat women as second class citizens).

If any culture always accepted it 100% there would never had been any movement forward. Look at the advances the middle east made in science, math, and navigation in the period when Europe was in it's Dark Ages. What good did those advances do us now?

[renee]

you always come back to women, always, thats all you can hang on to? where is the diverose rate extremly high? between white couples!!!

Stop sticking on the role of equality of women, women are now equal, drop it!

You always refer to divorce rates. The real question is: Are Chaldeans Happier in Marriage than other nationalities?

You Claim that equality exists? Are Chaldean girls and boys treated equally by their families?

Hey, sounds like two great new threads.

[sammiedebull]

sure, good threads. Yes i think that women in most cases are treated well, you need to understand that the woman is more vaunrable in the outside world, she can get raped (god forbid for anyone to do so), she could easily get killed (not physically strong), she could get in to bad situations because society itself and the crazy morons out there know that women are weak and can be taken advantage of. The family MUST be strict on the girl not because she is not equal to the boy but because she is more vaunrable in the real world. A boy cannot get pregnant, a boy can defend himself easier, etc.

Are women 100% equal in all cases, NO. But are they at a point now where they can make thier own decitions and have a success marriage and career, YES. Do they have to be like you to do this? NO~!

That is what you think Renee, i respect you view and understand what your life has been like, i am sure you went through a lot of shit but that does not mean you through away values and morals out the window to "show everyone DAMN you, i can do what ever i want and you cant stop me". You can still do this without throwing away morals and values and people would R.E.S.P.E.C.T you more.

Are blacks 100% equal to whites? NO, BUT they still reference back to slavery and use it as an excuse of why they cannot excel, why they cannot be successful. They even want paybacks now from what happened, JUST DROP IT, MOVE ON, IT WAS A MISTAKE, now show the white man why they were so wrong and dumb for what they did!

[renee]

, i respect you view and understand what your life has been like, i am sure you went through a lot of shit but that does not mean you through away values and morals out the window to "show everyone DAMN you, i can do what ever i want and you cant stop me". You can still do this without throwing away morals and values and people would R.E.S.P.E.C.T you more.
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I respect the respect you give me. See, I do have morals. They may be different than yours or even everyone's in the whole world. But I do have standards for behavior.

You would be surprised to hear the PM's I get from the young women on this site. My heart is warmed by the respect I get and the comments like "you inspire me to follow my dreams and not what is expected of me." I will never tell, but maybe someday I will write a book changing all the names of course.

[maxpower]

Americans have no cultures, and that’s a fact....aside from that i have asked about 50 random professional, non-professional, and average 6 and 7 generation Americans from European decent ( white people to be exact ) and they themselves told me that Americans have no culture, because its a mixing pot with other cultures.. So if you going to tell me that Chaldean culture are so outdated, and what who... Then you’re cultureless, unless you have adopted another ethnic culture... Other wise, if you claim your self American. Or so called Americanized, and disagree with the views about your own culture... then to drop your mouth and say am American is because that’s just citizenship that grants you the rights to live here legally, and vote.

so am American, and my cultural back ground is chaldean.

[Emma_Girl]

Some of you seriously don't know how to address your opinion without sounding like racist people. But, we should know by now that whenever any conversation about politics and religion is brought up, the same words come about. And you know being a Chaldean could get as political and religious as anything.

You can't compare your statements to White people because just like Emily stated, there are seriously some very messed up Chaldean families out there and we all know of them. No matter how perfect we try to have our house to be, there are always problems, that's just part of everyday life. However, the issue here is not to avoid the folklore of our time that makes us Chaldean or White or Black or anything else, but to try to be adults.

Dude, everytime...every single time religious and politics are discussed, someone has to make an ass of themselves.

Here's what I challenge everyone to do from now on beore you click on that cute "quickreply" button. READ YOUR ENTRY OUT LOUD!

If you think you sound like a jackass after reading your entire entry, then maybe you should make some revisions or else you are not *helping the "image" of your own.

Peace!

[ojeen1981]

every culture has its unique *history to offer to the world, its unique arts, history, philosophy, literature etc. *Its is up to the person to see the culture of a people, and to do that requires some study. *many people think AMerican culture is pop culutre and what they see on MTV, thats a misconception becuase american literature from mark twain to Emerson are something awsome to read. *also u read about African American folklore and etc. *its destabilization of the mass media to portray a distoreted lens of american culture. *

likewise, chaldean/assyrian armenian, jewish etc. any other culture will offer to the world its own unique history and civilization. *the point is that its harder for a minoirty to keep its unique culture to the world to survive. *and as i said before,as far as chaldeans/assyrians/syriacs go, they have the armenains and jews as examples to keep their cultures going. *and without a doubt, educational instituitons are by far the best method to allow that culutree to surive.

[Rita]

, i respect you view and understand what your life has been like, i am sure you went through a lot of shit but that does not mean you through away values and morals out the window to "show everyone DAMN you, i can do what ever i want and you cant stop me". You can still do this without throwing away morals and values and people would R.E.S.P.E.C.T you more.
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I respect the respect you give me. See, I do have morals. They may be different than yours or even everyone's in the whole world. But I do have standards for behavior.

You would be surprised to hear the PM's I get from the young women on this site. My heart is warmed by the respect I get and the comments like "you inspire me to follow my dreams and not what is expected of me." I will never tell, but maybe someday I will write a book changing all the names of course.

Does it upset you that I have not PM'd you and claimed the same, LOL, j/k. *:roll: *:lol: You see, I respect you and your achievements but you haven't inspired me yet. I inspire myself. You've been through a great ordeal with life but if I told you mine, you'd be PM'ing me and telling me I'm your inspiration. I'm writing that book Bitch!!! LOL, 2 be honest... I've been asked 2 write one.

[maxpower]

mashala... everyone here is a writer now... well guess what bitches :love: *:love: .. am writing that book... so back offffffffffffff :twisted:

i have been told that i inspire alot of kids aswell... like ummm, umm, ya um i got many reasons.. on of them is...... ummm, ummm... well you get the point.. now back off *:lol:

[sammiedebull]

writers my ass :) also renee, these gurls do not know what is better for thier own good, they are 16 and 17 year old girls who want to go clubbing who are sad and mad that thier parents wont let them go out when all thier friends are out, One day they will relaize that the parents did it for a common good, they care, they want thier kids to be well respected and proud of what they are.

Every kid goes through that phase where they HATE thier parents, everyone gets to go out but me, etc, etc, etc. When you grow up and learn what is out there you finally realize that maybe mom and dad did this for a reason! seriously, think about it, why would your mom and dad not want you to have fun? they want to trap you in the house for thier own pleasure? COME ON!

get real, please!

[Emily]

, i respect you view and understand what your life has been like, i am sure you went through a lot of shit but that does not mean you through away values and morals out the window to "show everyone DAMN you, i can do what ever i want and you cant stop me". You can still do this without throwing away morals and values and people would R.E.S.P.E.C.T you more.
!

I respect the respect you give me. See, I do have morals. They may be different than yours or even everyone's in the whole world. But I do have standards for behavior.

You would be surprised to hear the PM's I get from the young women on this site. My heart is warmed by the respect I get and the comments like "you inspire me to follow my dreams and not what is expected of me." I will never tell, but maybe someday I will write a book changing all the names of course.

Does it upset you that I have not PM'd you and claimed the same, LOL, j/k. *:roll: *:lol: You see, I respect you and your achievements but you haven't inspired me yet. I inspire myself. You've been through a great ordeal with life but if I told you mine, you'd be PM'ing me and telling me I'm your inspiration. I'm writing that book Bitch!!! LOL, 2 be honest... I've been asked 2 write one.


may i ask on what? :eh:

[sammiedebull]

They are happy that she is a revolt, kids that envy people who walk out on everything because mom would not let them go clubbing, would not let them wear a mini skirt, would not let them have a boyfriend at 15 years old, get real man, seriously!

[renee]

, i respect you view and understand what your life has been like, i am sure you went through a lot of shit but that does not mean you through away values and morals out the window to "show everyone DAMN you, i can do what ever i want and you cant stop me". You can still do this without throwing away morals and values and people would R.E.S.P.E.C.T you more.
!

I respect the respect you give me. See, I do have morals. They may be different than yours or even everyone's in the whole world. But I do have standards for behavior.

You would be surprised to hear the PM's I get from the young women on this site. My heart is warmed by the respect I get and the comments like "you inspire me to follow my dreams and not what is expected of me." I will never tell, but maybe someday I will write a book changing all the names of course.

Does it upset you that I have not PM'd you and claimed the same, LOL, j/k. *:roll: *:lol: You see, I respect you and your achievements but you haven't inspired me yet. I inspire myself. You've been through a great ordeal with life but if I told you mine, you'd be PM'ing me and telling me I'm your inspiration. I'm writing that book Bitch!!! LOL, 2 be honest... I've been asked 2 write one.

No it doesn't upset me Rita. Because I actually look up to YOU. You have managed to stay with the community and be modern and independent. The girls should look up to you as well.

Maybe we should write that book together like the chicks who wrote The Nanny Diaries

[renee]

They are happy that she is a revolt, kids that envy people who walk out on everything because mom would not let them go clubbing, would not let them wear a mini skirt, would not let them have a boyfriend at 15 years old, get real man, seriously!

You're partially right. A lot of 'em want to know how to be more independent. I tell them how.

Some need help with sexual information. Too bad they can't get it from their mothers. So I give it to them.

Others need help with relationships with boys and even medical problems.

I'm happy to give it to them. Shouldn't they have these resources locally? I guess it's easier to ask a stranger in the Chaldean community then someone close by.

[Emily]

They are happy that she is a revolt, kids that envy people who walk out on everything because mom would not let them go clubbing, would not let them wear a mini skirt, would not let them have a boyfriend at 15 years old, get real man, seriously!

You're partially right. A lot of 'em want to know how to be more independent. I tell them how.

Some need help with sexual information. Too bad they can't get it from their mothers. So I give it to them.

Others need help with relationships with boys and even medical problems.

I'm happy to give it to them. Shouldn't they have these resources locally? I guess it's easier to ask a stranger in the Chaldean community then someone close by.


:alright: two thumbs up my dear :applause:

[Rita]

, i respect you view and understand what your life has been like, i am sure you went through a lot of shit but that does not mean you through away values and morals out the window to "show everyone DAMN you, i can do what ever i want and you cant stop me". You can still do this without throwing away morals and values and people would R.E.S.P.E.C.T you more.
!

I respect the respect you give me. See, I do have morals. They may be different than yours or even everyone's in the whole world. But I do have standards for behavior.

You would be surprised to hear the PM's I get from the young women on this site. My heart is warmed by the respect I get and the comments like "you inspire me to follow my dreams and not what is expected of me." I will never tell, but maybe someday I will write a book changing all the names of course.

Does it upset you that I have not PM'd you and claimed the same, LOL, j/k. *:roll: *:lol: You see, I respect you and your achievements but you haven't inspired me yet. I inspire myself. You've been through a great ordeal with life but if I told you mine, you'd be PM'ing me and telling me I'm your inspiration. I'm writing that book Bitch!!! LOL, 2 be honest... I've been asked 2 write one.


may i ask on what? :eh:

You can ask but I won't tell. One reason why I will never write that book unless I make the author unknown.

[sammiedebull]

yes, but you need to get permission to write about people :)

[Emily]

, i respect you view and understand what your life has been like, i am sure you went through a lot of shit but that does not mean you through away values and morals out the window to "show everyone DAMN you, i can do what ever i want and you cant stop me". You can still do this without throwing away morals and values and people would R.E.S.P.E.C.T you more.
!

I respect the respect you give me. See, I do have morals. They may be different than yours or even everyone's in the whole world. But I do have standards for behavior.

You would be surprised to hear the PM's I get from the young women on this site. My heart is warmed by the respect I get and the comments like "you inspire me to follow my dreams and not what is expected of me." I will never tell, but maybe someday I will write a book changing all the names of course.

Does it upset you that I have not PM'd you and claimed the same, LOL, j/k. *:roll: *:lol: You see, I respect you and your achievements but you haven't inspired me yet. I inspire myself. You've been through a great ordeal with life but if I told you mine, you'd be PM'ing me and telling me I'm your inspiration. I'm writing that book Bitch!!! LOL, 2 be honest... I've been asked 2 write one.


may i ask on what? :eh:

You can ask but I won't tell. One reason why I will never write that book unless I make the author unknown.


YOU BETTER TELL ME BITCH :punch:

[renee]

those kids should not be thinking about sex yet, they are very young and are driven solely be emotion rather than logic. Its like asking a 16 year old boy if he really loved his girlfriend, he wills ay sure, i love her but in his mind he is thinking, sure, i liove her for sex.

These kids should be discouraged from making such mistakes, they should be encouraged to be someone, to go to school, respect them selves and at the end of the day they will feel worth not because they have a degree but because they stayed true to themselves.

Hey, I'm the one who's always "stay in school," "get your degree," "don't get married young," so I agree with you about that.

Saying kids should not be thinking about sex is like saying we should treat all men as brothers and live in peace -- a great concept but not very practical. The sex drive begins at puberty and by 16-17, girls have been surpressing it for 5-6 years and boys for 4-5 years. If they are going to have sex (and they are) they should, at least, be encouraged to do it safely to protect themselves from disease and unwanted pregnancy.

BTW, it's a value judgment on your part to say that if they don't have sex they will be "true to themselves." For some people, they will not be "true to themselves" if they restrain themselves. What I tell the girls who've pm-ed me is that before they do it, they should have strong emotional feelings for the boy. Sex without strong emotional feelings is not as good for girls anyway.

[Shlama_98]

My answer to the topic is most likely, if Assyrians/Chaldeans don't merry within their culture and can't keep their language then yes, you can kiss this culture goodbye in a 100 years or so.

[sammiedebull]

I agree with the above comment.

Also renee, once you introduce the comdom to the kids, you are basically showing them that hey look, you can have sex, etc, i know its not an easy issue because you have some kids who will have sex no matter what and you do not want to loose those kids, there should be 2 programs, one for everyone which stresses not to have sex and what can happen if you do and than a really small and quick program which says if you do have sex for some reason than you better protect yourself. BUT i believe that we should spend 98% of the time and money on those programs who tell kids not to have sex, also giving out free condoms and stuff is stupid, you are basically telling kids go have sex, its ok, ONLY as long as you use comdoms.

People have sex because its a spur of the moment thing which usually means its not genuine, the guy will take her out to a nice dinner, bring her back, put up candles and all the goodies to get the atmosphere ready, girls than feel emotional or obgligated to give soem to the guy because he "really cares about me and look at everything hes done for me tonite" etc. So yes, if you want to hive sex, go ahead but use protection, but if you dont have sex and wait than you will feel much better at the end of the day and God wont be so mad at you :)

[Emma_Girl]

Thanks for bringing the conversation to what it started to, Shlama.

I thought we were talking about the Chaldean race here????

[renee]

the guy will take her out to a nice dinner, bring her back, put up candles and all the goodies to get the atmosphere ready, girls than feel emotional or obgligated to give soem to the guy because he "really cares about me and look at everything hes done for me tonite"

You gotta be kidding me.

[sammiedebull]

Women are emotional, guys who are out there who are not looking to get serious have ONE GOAL! get laid, i am sorry if this is not visiable or logical to you renee but its TRUE. Now put your pride aside and help those girls make the right decitions.

For a guy, its a game, its a challange to do it and get it done, if they are not serious why would they want a girl who is a friend? come on, seriously!!!

[Rita]

yes, but you need to get permission to write about people :)

It's about myself. I'm speaking of a personal experience that I have been through & continue 2 keep 2 myself about it. Very few people know.

And no Emily, it's not something I'd tell you. It's a deep personal experience & I don't connect with you on that level. Sorry.