This is Sad!

[meme913]

A Letter to the British People From a Daughter of Iraq
*By Iman al-Saadun *
* July 8, 2005
* I'm sending this letter to the British people and in particular to the residents of London. For a period of hours, you have lived through moments of desperate anxiety and horror. * * * * * * * * * * *In those hours you lost a member of your family or a friend, and we wish to tell you in total honesty that we too grieve when human lives pass away. I cannot tell you how much we hurt when we see desperation and pain on the face of another person. For we have lived through this situation-and continue to live through it every day- since your country and the United States formed an alliance and laid plans to attack Iraq.

* The Prime Minister of your country, Tony Blair, said that those who carried out the explosions did so in the name of Islam. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *The Secretary of State of the United States, Condaleezza Rice, described the bombings as an act of barbarism. The United Nations Security Council met and unanimously condemned the event.

* I would like to ask you, the free British people, to allow me to inquire: in whose name was our country blockaded for 12 years? In whose name were our cities bombed using internationally prohibited weapons? In whose name did the British army kill Iraqis and torture them? Was that in your name? Or in the name of religion? Or humanity? Or freedom? Or democracy?

* What do you call the killing of more than two million children? What do you call the pollution
of the soil and the water with depleted uranium and other lethal substances?

* What do you call what happened in the prisons in Iraq u in Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca and the many other prison camps? What do you call the torture of men, women, and children? What do you call tying bombs to the bodies of prisoners and blowing them apart? What do you call the refinement of methods of torture for use on Iraqi prisoners-such as pulling off limbs, gouging out eyes, putting out cigarettes on their skin, and using cigarette lighters to set fire to the hair on their heads? Does the word "barbaric" adequately describe the behavior of your troops in Iraq?

*May we ask why the Security Council did not condemn the massacre in al-Amiriyah and what happened in al-Fallujah, Talaeafar, Sadr City, and an-Najaf? Why does the world watch as our people are killed and tortured and not condemn the crimes being committed against us? Are you human beings and we something less? Do you think that only you can feel pain and we
can't? In fact it is we who are most aware of how intense is the pain of the mother who has lost her child, or the father who has lost his family. We know very well how painful it is to lose those you love.

* You don't know our martyrs, but we know them. You don't remember them, but we remember them. You don't cry over them, but we cry over them.

* Have you heard the name of the little girl Hannan Salih Matrud? Or of the boy Ahmad Jabir Karim? Or Saaeid Shabram?

* Yes, our dead have names too. They have faces and stories and memories. There was a time when they were among us, laughing and playing. They had dreams, just as you have. They had a tomorrow awaiting *them.

* *But today they sleep among us with no tomorrow on which to wake.

* We don't hate the British people or the peoples of the world. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This war was imposed upon us, but we are now fighting it in defense of our selves.

Because we want to live in our homeland-the free land of Iraq-and to live as we want to live, not as your government or the American government wish.

* Let the families of those killed know that responsibility for the Thursday morning London bombings lies with Tony Blair and his policies.

[Rita]

very true

[UmiSayz]

very true

[Dais2209]

so true!!

[sammiedebull]

Not really ture.

[pfizzles_sister101]

Not really ture.


why not??

The stuff that is said in her letter are so true. *They define what is happening in Iraq every minute of every day while we are here, taking anything from the cars we drive to the clothes we wear and the breaths we inhale for granted. This makes me mad :x .

Please elaborate on your statement sammiedebull.

[Samuel]

The man asks for our sympathy while patronizing the British people (our closest political allies) for their "involvement" in the invasion. *Now I'm not very British, but I can tell from our own political environment that I, nor my neighbor, or her two kids had any say in "our" invasion of Iraq. *Whether or not we supported the war effort, was never even taken into consideration by those who initiated the conflict. *We weren't even present on the battle grounds to be a "potential" threat to the Iraqi people. * Further, we never asked Saddam to be the little shit that he was. *He did that all on his own. *So for this terrorist apologist to justify the deliberate attack on civilians (of whom were the very same British that scorned at the invasion) is nothing but cold-hearted. * *
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Since these British civilians had nothing to do with the war, then this man's drivel is to be taken lightly. *Had we never invaded the Iraqis, and this "political response" were to occur regardless (these have consistently occured for the last 10 years or so), this very same *idiot would be inclined to rant that such was a response to the plight of terror the Palestinians currently face. *These third-world inbreds have a plethora of excuses for their pugnacious acts toward a society they couldn't otherwise face, toe-to-toe. *Maybe if their political ideology wasn't so backward, they may one day have a chance. **sigh* *
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The man had a solid point, until he lost all of his credibility near the end.

[maxpower]

The man asks for our sympathy while patronizing the British people (our closest political allies) for their "involvement" in the invasion. *Now I'm not very British, but I can tell from our own political environment that I, nor my neighbor, or her two kids had any say in "our" invasion of Iraq. *Whether or not we supported the war effort, was never even taken into consideration by those who initiated the conflict. *We weren't even present on the battle grounds to be a "potential" threat to the Iraqi people. * Further, we never asked Saddam to be the little shit that he was. *He did that all on his own. *So for this terrorist apologist to justify the deliberate attack on civilians (of whom were the very same British that scorned at the invasion) is nothing but cold-hearted. * *
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Since these British civilians had nothing to do with the war, then this man's drivel is to be taken lightly. *Had we never invaded the Iraqis, and this "political response" were to occur regardless (these have consistently occured for the last 10 years or so), this very same *idiot would be inclined to rant that such was a response to the plight of terror the Palestinians currently face. *These third-world inbreds have a plethora of excuses for their pugnacious acts toward a society they couldn't otherwise face, toe-to-toe. *Maybe if their political ideology wasn't so backward, they may one day have a chance. **sigh* *
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The man had a solid point, until he lost all of his credibility near the end.

man leave your nieghbor and her two kids alone, whats wrong with you, sickooo, loool :lol: *:lol:

[sammiedebull]

basically this is a political anti-war letter saying see what happen to you, this has been happening to us for 10 years.

[RaNoOoBiE420]

that's basically what shes saying. . .its very trueee

[Teffo]

it's sad to read, but does this person prefer to live under sadam and family's reign?

[sammiedebull]

^ agree ^, saddam or?

[Anonymous]

That's so sad...


AND VERY TRUE.


YOU KNOW MY MOM WAS TALKING TO HER SISTER FROM IRAQ TODAY( ON YAHOO) SHE TOLD MY MOM ITS SO SCARY GOING OUT, BECAUSE PPL INFRONT OF THEIR HOUSES ARE GETTING KILLED SHE SAYS THEIR ALWAYS INSIDE THE HOUSE HIDING THATS HOW SCARY IT IS...CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT :( MY AUNT IS SO SCARED...THEY CAN'T EVEN MAKE A LIVING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T WORK, SHE SAID THAT THEY PUT A BOMB IN SOME PPLS HOUSE & HOW SO MANY YOUNG KIDS DIED:( UFFF...I WAS ALSO WATCHING T.V I SEEN SO MANY PPL INJURED/DEAD :( I WAS CRYING...IT'S SO SAD SEEING EVERYONE DIE...THIS ONE GUY WHO KILLED HIS BROTHER 2 KIDS AND HIS BROTHERS WIFE WHO AN UNBORN BABY...NOW THAT JUST MAKES ME SICK...THEY CATCHED THE GUY THEY ASKED HIM WHY HE DID IT...HIS STUPID GAY ANSWER WAS * BECAUSE MY BROTHER AND HIS WIFE USED TO FIGHT WITH US ALL THE TIME* NOW THAT'S JUST STUPID FOR KILLING YOUR OWN BLOOD...EVERYONE IS LIKE AN ANIMAL THERE GOSH :(

[Samuel]

So because the insurgents have wrecked havoc, the British civilians must pay with their lives?

[sammiedebull]

The insurgents will go down, its a matter of time.

[Emma_Girl]

Iraq. America. Britan. No one wants war in their own land, so they should not support war on anyone else's land either.

No matter why or where, war brings death. War brings tears. War kills. Period.

[sammiedebull]

yes, thanks for the passionate post Emaa but you are wrong, either you fight the enemy on thier land or they will bring it to your land.

No one likes war, that would be a sick person if they did but you have to be realictic, there are other countries and people out there that would not mind killig your whole family to make a point. people are crazy and we need to go find them and deal with them befor ethey get on the homeland.

[UmiSayz]

we need to go find them and deal with them befor ethey get on the homeland.


Thats is wrong and you know it ;)

[sammiedebull]

im sorry saddam, i take my words back :)

[UmiSayz]

im sorry saddam, i take my words back :)


Thats not what I meant. We cant go fight into other ppl's homelands for religious reasons. *:alright:

[sammiedebull]

Yes, i agree about religious reasons, but, but...

[UmiSayz]

Yes, i agree about religious reasons, but, but...


But NOTHING! :alright:

[Samuel]

Iraq. America. Britan. No one wants war in their own land, so they should not support war on anyone else's land either.

No matter why or where, war brings death. War brings tears. War kills. Period.

Sometimes not going to war kills more in the long run.

[sammiedebull]

^ true ^

[Syllabus69]

That original posting is garbage. *I guess the US is responsible for the 9/11 attacks also because of their policies. *Here is an idea, why dont these radical Islamist cut the bullshit and stop blowing shit up. *You dont see christians blowing themselves up, or jews, or buddhists or hindus. *It is only the radical Islamists. *Notice I didnt say ALL muslims, just radicals. * You want British and American troops out of your country? *Here is an idea, why not tell the idiots locked up in their homes with guns shooting everyone to just cooperate. *Why not tell the morons to stop blowing themselves up. *Why not just COOPERATE with the people trying to help your country instead of going in the opposite direction. *If they did that they wouldnt have to worry about getting shot in the street, they wouldnt have to worry about being blown up on the way to work because the troops wouldnt have to worry about some idiot walking up to them with a bomb strapped to his chest. *They wouldnt have to worry about some ass shooting at them. *If the insurgents would stop the BULLSHIT, then the troops would leave. *But dont you dare say it was Tany Blairs fault because that means you are supporting the terrorists and their bombs. *All those people do is piss the US and Britian off so much that we will never leave. *Terrorism is an act of cowardice.

[Syllabus69]

And can someone tell me why Islam seems to be the most radical of the religions. *Where in the Quran does it say to kill other people. *Why do all these muslims feel a need to kill themselves and kill others for their religion? *Does anyone notice there are no christians strapping bombs to themselves, or jews, or hindus? *Is it that these religions value a human life where Muslims do not?

[UmiSayz]

And can someone tell me why Islam seems to be the most radical of the religions. *Where in the Quran does it say to kill other people. *Why do all these muslims feel a need to kill themselves and kill others for their religion? *Does anyone notice there are no christians strapping bombs to themselves, or jews, or hindus? *Is it that these religions value a human life where Muslims do not?


Theres extremist in all religions. Hitler killed Jews in the name of Christianity.

[Syllabus69]

I think you are wrong about hitler, he never killed for christianity, he killed for his supreme race. *He wanted a pure race, an aryan race, not for religion. *I know there are radicals in all religions but radicals in christianity and judaism are just annoying usually as picketers or door to door bible thumpers. *But radical muslims blow shit up and chop off heads. *WHY is this, where in the quran does it say to do such things????

[UmiSayz]

*WHY is this, where in the quran does it say to do such things????


No where actually. PPL are just sick in the head. Just like serial killers.

[sammiedebull]

^ yep ^, anyone forget the crusades? anyone forget hitler? the soviet emplire? anyone forget the unibomber, anyone forget the oklahoma city bomber? anyone forget who the IRA is? there are extremist on all ends. The arabs/middle eastern people rule dteh world before via the attoman empire which feel a long time ago, the arabs and muslims are still trying to catch up to the times and have still not been able to. The middle east and most muslim countries have fallen under distatorships and tyranny alongside the great kings and princess which oppress the people and give them no home. What happens to people with no hope? they form groups and those groups become organizations and those organizations become planners and those planners plan how to execute movements and plans. Basically no matter how you put it or spin it, america is responsible indirectly to what is happening today, the list is massive, some of them were done for reasons to deal with the threat of the time and others were done by mistake not knowing the consequences in the future :

1) CIA funded and helped bin laden in afganistan fight the russians.

2) US helped Saddam fight the iranians.

3) The US sold weapons to iran while it was helping saddam via the Iran Contra.

4) The US buys oil and protects the kinds in saudi arabia and other places where people and human rights groups complain 27/7 that there are problems and abuses.

5) bad media like gitmo and the prison stuff.

6) Israel, the one sided view and support for the jews while the palestinains think that the west is out to get them.

The list goes and and on and on. im sure there are hundreads. Some of these were done to deal with problems of the time, some by mistake, some by stupidity but Islam as a religion is not bad, its the opperision and bullshit the normal guy on the street in the muslim world has been through which has drove him over the edge.

So we create and power saddam, the people hate us, now we remove saddam, the people hate us again, now we need to get it stable, do it the right way and hopefully in 20-25 years the people will like us, who knows!

[Syllabus69]

Still, the fact is that these people would get further if they discussed things instead of bombing and terror. *It causes nothing but racism towards their people. *I am immediately suspicious of any arab looking person in the US or airports or anywhere.

[KoolEug1981]

What r u insinuating Syllabus? *That Arabs or people who have Middle Eastern ancestory are potential terrorists? *Please expound ur statement

[sammiedebull]

hey, i dont blame you but chaldeans look like arabs, you see what happens than, they are discrimintaing against every one that even has a close look.

Also i do not ming getting searched at the airport at all. its for mine and everyone elses safety so if they want to inconvient me for 3-4 mins that be it. I dont mind. If you have nothing to hide than you have nothing to worry about.

[Syllabus69]

Sorry to veer off track Eugene. *The points I am trying to make here is this:

1. *In response to the original poster, what she put up was total bullshit. *You cannot justify what happened in london was caused because of blairs policies. *Thats like saying the US deserved 9/11 because of Bush.

2. *It seems to me that Islam is the only religion where the radicals blow themselves up, and chop off peoples heads. *I want to know why this is. *Why if according to a previous poster if the Quran has nothing in it that says violence is good do you have so many muslim groups that use it almost everyday. *

3. *Why dont these people cooperate with the troops in Iraq? *If they did, they would be out of there so fast it would make everyones head spin. *They are trying to set up a stable government, why dont the people just cooperate. *

4. *Terrorism spawns racism, these recent attacks have changed our world to the point where everyone looks at an arab looking person and immediately assumes the worst. *Like I stated before, the pen is mightier than the sword, if these groups sat down and talked like reasonable people, more would get accomplished than blowing shit up. *

5. *Since these people are Muslim, why is the muslim community not pressuring them to cut this shit out? *Why if Muslims around the world condemn the attacks and all of their shit does it continue. *I know if someone in my family was doing something stupid or crazy that harmed people, I would tell them to stop and that they are hurting people. *If mothers and fathers dont want their 18 year old son killed, then why not tell the son that what he is doing is wrong. *Plotting to blow up US troops is WRONG. *Why dont the parents stop their children from taking part in these terrorist actions?

That is all for now

[SensationalNour]

I have so much to say about this topic..no where in the QUR`AN does it say to kill or to shatter someones life...or that MAN SLAUGHTER is legal...but I have always thought of the Islam religion as a murder religion...they all wear this SORD on their neclaces which stands for MURDER and represents the Islam religion from what one of my muslim friends has said to me...see...catholics follow the 10 commendments...and one of them is THY SHALL NOT KILL...I never hear about CATHOLICS murdering millions of people...I never hear about CATHOLICS bombing a country...we are definitely 2 different religions...catholics get much more respect then muslims...muslims only follow their religion when it comes to it saying TO KILL...but not when it tells them not to EAT PORK or NOT TO MAKE LOVE WHEN THEY ARE FASTING and so on...I believe that the 9/11 attacks were made by the U.S because they seemed like they were planned out...Iraq had nothing to do with any of the attacks that have occured...the U.S has no proof of Iraq being involved with any of the dangerous attacks that have occured in the united states..YET...they are bombing Iraq for no reason...

well I have so much more to say but I will finish this later...I have to go

~~Nour~~

[proudchaldean]

I never hear about CATHOLICS murdering millions of people...I never hear about CATHOLICS bombing a country

ever hear of the IRA(Irish Republican Army)...look it up Nour, you might find some things that surprise you...also take a look at some of the militant anti-abortion groups, many of which are led by catholic priests http://www.armyofgod.com/ *This group calls Paul Hill, a man who shot an abortion doctor in cold blood, an American Hero!!!! Islam isnt the only religion with violent factions...

[Syllabus69]

Yes however they are few people, where as you have terrorist cells all over the world. *You have the taliban, you have bin ladens crew. *All you have there is some crazy priests that once every 5-8 years get someone to bomb a clinic killing 3 people. *Not crazy assholes flying into towers, or chopping off peoples heads. *Not driving bombs into troops on a daily basis. *Aslo realize these people are not suicide bombers, they set bombs or throw bombs. *Kinda like the KKK did back in the day. *These radical islamists are in a league of their own...

[proudchaldean]

I think they're both evil...im just pointiing out that no religion is immune to violent radicals!!!

[Syllabus69]

Yes I agree but Islam seems to breed the most radicals!

[proudchaldean]

im happy you were able to come to that conclusion...whats the bottom line...whats the point...r u just trying to say that Islam creates the most radicals or are u going somewhere with this?

[Syllabus69]

Scroll back and you will see my points. *All I want is a clarification as to why this is, thats all.

[ojeen1981]

the politics of any ideology can be taken to an extremists form. *Even marxism was perverted at the hands of Stalin. *Chrisitianty at the dawon of crusades was twisted to kill innocent people, even other fellow christians. *our job as critical thinkers is to go back to the dogma itself and question if the task of who ever is the poltical leader is actuly supported by scripture. *for example, Stalin's communists thoughts were way different than the original intention of what Marx wanted. *Likewise, we should apply this method to any other faith in the world and go back to the doctrine itself, this is the only way that we can find the turth.

[Samuel]

Scroll back and you will see my points. *All I want is a clarification as to why this is, thats all.

There's no reason to believe that Islam is the only variable which contributes to this hostile behavior. *Proud has already brought forth examples of Christian brutality. *However, he only mentioned TWO examples out of hundreds. *Christians a century ago in the deep south had organized militias murder African Americans by the thousands. *These were supposedly CHRISTIAN people committing acts of TERROR. *They read out of the same book you read, and interpreted the messages in such a manner as to justify their behavior. *

This type of behavior, as explained by some scholars, is the response made by a middle class that is dissatisfied with economic conditions (unfulfilled expectations). *The south wasn't entirely happy about the Reconstruction, and the middle east isn't entirely happy that white man steals oil while their progeny has no hope for a future. *This frustration is often guised with a "deeper" battle in the name of God. *This is why these fake renditions of God are so dangerous. *Since you're making up your God in the first place, You can interpret his agenda in any way you see fit. *Islam, Christianity, Judaism.....alll essentially the same thing. *The excuse at the moment however, has been Allah instead of Jesus. *And that's a damn relief. * Cause the whole Jesus excuse has been completely played out.

[Syllabus69]

Ok I will agree with you that in ancient times horrible things happened because of religion such as the crusades, however you are missing the point with Hitler and the KKK. *The KKK were never doing what they did in the name of christ, they did it in the name of racism. *They hated blacks, if you people would read your history books, you would realize that Hitler hated jews just because they were jews, KKK hated blacks because they were blacks. *Just because they burned a cross during their meetings doesnt mean they did it in the name of christ. *READ PEOPLE, those groups did not do it in the name of god, they did it in the name of HATE. *These Islamist do this in the name of ALLAH and their holy JIHAD against the INFIDELS. *WHY do they do this, they do not do it out of hate but because they believe that they are required to do so by their holy book and god himself.

[Samuel]

Ok I will agree with you that in ancient times horrible things happened because of religion such as the crusades, however you are missing the point with Hitler and the KKK. *The KKK were never doing what they did in the name of christ, they did it in the name of racism. *They hated blacks, if you people would read your history books, you would realize that Hitler hated jews just because they were jews, KKK hated blacks because they were blacks. *Just because they burned a cross during their meetings doesnt mean they did it in the name of christ. *READ PEOPLE, those groups did not do it in the name of god, they did it in the name of HATE. *These Islamist do this in the name of ALLAH and their holy JIHAD against the INFIDELS. *WHY do they do this, they do not do it out of hate but because they believe that they are required to do so by their holy book and god himself.


Uhh... You do realize that they burned the cross because they also hated Catholics? *So they were little Protestant soldiers of some sort. *And today, as a Christian YOU are denouncing this "un-Christian" behavior. *At the same time, many muslims (ie. Sammie, and Umi) have also admitted that these "Jihadist" terrorists are deplorable criminals. *But this letter pisses me off because an Imam of all people, should have NOT written it.

[Syllabus69]

Who is Imman??? *I never said they were doing un-christian like behavior, I said they were doing in-humane behavior. *No religion says to kill others or influences people to kill others except islam. *There are basic principles of humanity and the most important is YOU SHOULDNT KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING! *THAT ISNT CHRISTIAN THAT IS A CIVILIZED HUMAN VALUE

[UmiSayz]

No religion says to kill others or influences people to kill others except islam. *


Thats bullshit. Quran never teaches us to be the aggressors but only to defend ourselves if we are being harmed. Where does it say murder ppl? Go do some research on your own. I provided you with reputable links. Go search. These terrorists are mostly young men who hasn't read the Quran and therefore they're easy to manipulate. They do all the dirty work for there leaders. Islam for sure does NOT REPRESENT murdering of innocent ppl of any race or religion.

[sammiedebull]

Umi, dont waste your time, some people are just ignorant.

[UmiSayz]

Umi, dont waste your time, some people are just ignorant.

Yeh like Shlama. (The Quran copied from the Bible). LoL

[sammiedebull]

Hehehe!

[Syllabus69]

I did do my research and I understand that there are no passages that say to harm. *My questions are then why if a religion preaches peace is it these people are doing this? *Why is Islam the easiest to twist to make people travel to Britian and to hijack planes in the name of Islam? *Why isnt there pressure from the Islamic ommunity to stop these people. *Like I stated before if the Islamic community would stand up and say hey, this isnt good for Islam, this isnt good for for humanity, why dont you stop. *Why are these radicals able to gain such a following?

[SamIAM™]

nothing special, i think anyone can write a total opposite views and make it sound *appealing like that. bs i tell ya . *words dont mean anything. actions mean everything

[Samuel]

Umi, dont waste your time, some people are just ignorant.


:applause:

[Samuel]

nothing special, i think anyone can write a total opposite views and make it sound *appealing like that. bs i tell ya . *words dont mean anything. actions mean everything


Eh... I guess that's why you're a Bush supporter, huh? *You're not very big on words. *Besides the fact that your leader can't use many of them, he's also taken a big fat shat on the Constitution with his rule. *Yea I guess you're right. *To certain people, "words dont mean anything."

[Syllabus69]

How can you call me ignorant. *I am not the one saying Hitler and the KKK killed for christianity! *Most of you people are going by blind faith and have not even read your history books. *Close mindedness is also a form of ignorance...

[sammiedebull]

I like Jokes :)