View Full Version : Are boys and girls in contemporary Chaldean families treated the same? Sammiethebull thinks so.
renee
07-18-2005, 10:08 AM
I think not.
not really. I mean it's gotten so much better these days compared to before but we ae not there yet. We still have parents who find their sons superior to their daughters, have a discrepency on going out & staying out late, dating, etc.
sammiedebull
07-18-2005, 10:15 AM
I posted this over there on the other thread, here it is :
sure, good threads. Yes i think that women in most cases are treated well, you need to understand that the woman is more vaunrable in the outside world, she can get raped (god forbid for anyone to do so), she could easily get killed (not physically strong), she could get in to bad situations because society itself and the crazy morons out there know that women are weak and can be taken advantage of. The family MUST be strict on the girl not because she is not equal to the boy but because she is more vaunrable in the real world. A boy cannot get pregnant, a boy can defend himself easier, etc.
Are women 100% equal in all cases, NO. But are they at a point now where they can make thier own decitions and have a success marriage and career, YES. Do they have to be like you to do this? NO~!
That is what you think Renee, i respect you view and understand what your life has been like, i am sure you went through a lot of shit but that does not mean you through away values and morals out the window to "show everyone DAMN you, i can do what ever i want and you cant stop me". You can still do this without throwing away morals and values and people would R.E.S.P.E.C.T you more.
Are blacks 100% equal to whites? NO, BUT they still reference back to slavery and use it as an excuse of why they cannot excel, why they cannot be successful. They even want paybacks now from what happened, JUST DROP IT, MOVE ON, IT WAS A MISTAKE, now show the white man why they were so wrong and dumb for what they did!
There is a reason why i could stay out until 12:00 or 1:00 and my sister can only stay out until 8:00 or 9:00 max at age 17.
Who's weak? Sammie I'd bust your kneecap! Some women are much stronger than you think. Ask my last boyfriend, lol.
My mom worries that something would happen to me cuz of all the crazies out there such as rapists, etc. But just cuz you're a guy doesn't mean you are not vulnerable in situations. Many guys can do things to put themselves in danger. They can hang with the wrong crowd, get into drugs, drive drunk, etc. A girl can get pregnant but the guy is usually much more likely to get a girl pregnant.
sammiedebull
07-18-2005, 10:36 AM
you right, but naturally most guys, atleast 99% of them can take down 99.9% of women. Not many women can take a guy down, sure there are some, but a 6'2, 200lbs guy is hard to take down!!!
its known physically that women are much much weaker so please dont use this in the arguement!
I do not blame your mom for worrying, there are some f***** up people out there who pray on women becaus ethey know they are weak, i always worry about this for my sister and cousins, I do not worry much about my brother because even if he was stuid enough to put himself ina *bad situation than i would think he would have a much better chance to get out of it.
Yes, but the girl is emotional, they girl is vaunrable, the average guy does not think when he is bangin some chick about pregnancy, the girl even sometimes doe snot worry, the gurl is the one who should always worry about this. Also you have the reputation value for a girl, this is wher ei think girls are really treated badle, when it comes to reputation. But hey, that comes with the turf and its something a girl has to deal with and should deal with.
you right, but naturally most guys, atleast 99% of them can take down 99.9% of women. Not many women can take a guy down, sure there are some, but a 6'2, 200lbs guy is hard to take down!!!
its known physically that women are much much weaker so please dont use this in the arguement!
Yes, but the girl is emotional, they girl is vaunrable, the average guy does not think when he is bangin some chick about pregnancy, the girl even sometimes doe snot worry, the gurl is the one who should always worry about this.
Sammie let me break it down to you. No matter how big, heavy or tall a guy might be... they all have something in common. They are all weak below the waist. If a woman carries mace, knows how 2 protect herself (basic moves), she will be fine. Kick a guy in the nuts and it doesn't matter how heavy he can lift.
Also, your argument on guys only care about banging a chick & shouldn't worry about other things. This way of thinking is what's going to get him in trouble. I guess it doesn't matter he can get a disease & get someone pregnant because that was the girl's job? You are the only one responsible for taking care of your body & your future. So is it also the girl's job to go out and get the idiot some condoms and put them on 4 him also?
renee
07-18-2005, 10:59 AM
If Sammie's comments are indicative of all Chaldean familes, than the answer is that boys and girls are not treated equally. Any aspect of a culture that allows this needs to be changed.
sammiedebull
07-18-2005, 11:06 AM
Sorry, my brother can be home at 12:00, there is no way my sister will ever stay out past 12:00 unless shes at a relatives house.
call it "not equal", call it what ever you want but i will not allow my sister to be put in to bad situations, its that simple. When shes married than it will be her husbands task to take care of this!
there are wierdos out there and its the job of parents and family memobers to make sure that the women and girls in the family do not put them selves in such situations.
Can my sister pick a profession she wants, the same as my brother can? Heck yes, will my family pay for it as we do for my brother in law school? hell yes, will my sister get a car the same age my brother did? hell yes! does my sister get the same treatment in the house as my brother does? hell yes!
SamIAM™
07-18-2005, 11:31 AM
If Sammie's comments are indicative of all Chaldean familes, than the answer is that boys and girls are not treated equally. Any aspect of a culture that allows this needs to be changed.
that's lame, boys and girls are NOT the same, unless you have a penis ?
I agree with sammie, although they 'should' be treated equally, its almost impossible to do so.
renee
07-18-2005, 01:57 PM
there are wierdos out there and its the job of parents and family memobers to make sure that the women and girls in the family do not put them selves in such situations.
Isn't it the job of parents and family members to make sure that the men and boys of the family are not put into dangerous situations?
I would say that it's a lot more dangerous for 4 17 year old boys to be out driving around at 2 am then for 4 17 year old girls who are driving home from their friends house.
Are you telling me that it's safer for boys? I think this is all about sex. That's all I hear. "a girl can get raped....a girl can get raped!!!" Well, a boy could get shot, stabbed, beaten up. This is about the control of female sexuality. Sammiethebull's comment on his sister's husband's responsibility says it all.
Sammie, tell me. Let's say your sister get's married and she and her husband agree on an "open marriage" where they each can have sex with whomever they want. (There was a popular book in the 1970's called "Open Marriage" that promoted this lifestyle). So let's suppose that's what they choose, would you say it's her husband's responsibility?
maxpower
07-18-2005, 02:33 PM
I think not.
i think they are, at least in my family we are treated equal.
JerkFace
07-18-2005, 02:56 PM
come on man chicks gotta relax with the whole feminisim bullshit sometimes & realize some things MEN do in your lives do them outta good intentions NOT because we think were better than you or your weak tards.
no there not treated equally at all maybe in a few families but majority i dont think so......like sammie said...we worry about "our" females stayin out late & shit cause come on realisticly speaking.......between the chances of me goin out & stayin out late wanderin the streets & a good lookin chick WHO is gonna get rapped or bothered by guys more?? think about it realisticly NOT with your vagina's :alright:
renee
07-18-2005, 04:05 PM
come on man chicks gotta relax with the whole feminisim bullshit sometimes & realize some things MEN do in your lives do them outta good intentions NOT because we think were better than you or your weak tards.
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Did it ever occur to the men that before you "do them outta good intentions" you should ask if we want them done? *:think:
No wait, I must be thinking with my vagina here. I could never make the decision that I want something done for me.
I really need a man to tell me what's good for me. *:bang: *Oh Brother!
For it to have occured to the men that they should ask us what we want, they would have to think with their big heads instead of their little heads.
JerkFace
07-18-2005, 06:24 PM
renee i try to respect you as much as i can & respect your opinions & your smartass comments....so with that bein said have a nice day *:)
ojeen1981
07-18-2005, 06:31 PM
jerkface, just ignore her, thats the best method by far!
sammiedebull
07-18-2005, 06:46 PM
I agree with jerk, we know how guys are man, there are a lot of f****** retards out there, i would not want my sisters and cousins walking the streets, a guy can better protect himself out there, im sorry if you disagree but there are to many f*uck ups out there for us to trust the world and the streets.
NO WAY.
Also yes, when she gets married, if her husband say she should be home at a specific resonable time than she should be, he should protect his wife also, its not extreme, its caring, what would a wife be doing out with no husband after 10:00 or 11:00 anyway, sure she may call and say, hey dont worry, im at my moms, im at my cousins, etc.
You dont see the dangers and retards out there but we know it damn well and i would rather be safe than sorry. You just keep using this bullshit orf equality and we should be equal and we are the same, fine, we can get teh same jobs, we can do the same things but certain things cant be the same!
Randel
07-18-2005, 07:17 PM
Heck no they are not treated equal.
My parents would kill my sisters if they found a condom in their purse.
nothing really happened to me at all.
But than again my parents like my sisters a lot more. so ok.
sammiedebull
07-18-2005, 07:56 PM
somtimes its for thier own good!
going out late at nightk, wearing clothing which could attract the wrong people, attending events and gatherings which promote the wrong influence, etc.
women are simple more vaunrable, its that simple.
renee
07-19-2005, 01:09 AM
Heck no they are not treated equal.
My parents would kill my sisters if they found a condom in their purse.
nothing really happened to me at all.
But than again my parents like my sisters a lot more. so ok.
Ur sisters are prolly too smart to let ur parents find the condoms. *:alright:
sammiedebull
07-19-2005, 10:25 AM
at the end of the day, most people who do what you do renee end up regreting it, its not worth the thrill.
pfizzle
07-19-2005, 10:38 AM
Heck no they are not treated equal.
My parents would kill my sisters if they found a condom in their purse.
nothing really happened to me at all.
But than again my parents like my sisters a lot more. so ok.
Ur sisters are prolly too smart to let ur parents find the condoms. *:alright:
How about its because his sisters aren't whores.
sammiedebull
07-19-2005, 10:46 AM
HeHe.
renee
07-19-2005, 01:54 PM
Heck no they are not treated equal.
My parents would kill my sisters if they found a condom in their purse.
nothing really happened to me at all.
But than again my parents like my sisters a lot more. so ok.
Ur sisters are prolly too smart to let ur parents find the condoms. *:alright:
How about its because his sisters aren't whores.
Anyone who has a condom is a whore? Very interesting Patrick. *:think:
renee
07-19-2005, 01:59 PM
at the end of the day, most people who do what you do renee end up regreting it, its not worth the thrill.
So, are you saying you've experienced "the thrill" and have come to the conclusion that it's not worth it? Does that mean if you are not married that you are celebate?
sammiedebull
07-19-2005, 02:17 PM
It means when someone is not married by 30 than there is something wrong. It means its enough, thats it, settle down and relax, chillllllllll.
sammiedebull
07-19-2005, 02:17 PM
Yes, if a girl who is not married has condoms laying around than shes a hoe.
pfizzle
07-19-2005, 02:19 PM
Heck no they are not treated equal.
My parents would kill my sisters if they found a condom in their purse.
nothing really happened to me at all.
But than again my parents like my sisters a lot more. so ok.
Ur sisters are prolly too smart to let ur parents find the condoms. *:alright:
How about its because his sisters aren't whores.
Anyone who has a condom is a whore? Very interesting Patrick. *:think:
In your little world, yes. Any female that carries a condom premaritally is WHORE.
renee
07-19-2005, 02:22 PM
Heck no they are not treated equal.
My parents would kill my sisters if they found a condom in their purse.
nothing really happened to me at all.
But than again my parents like my sisters a lot more. so ok.
Ur sisters are prolly too smart to let ur parents find the condoms. *:alright:
How about its because his sisters aren't whores.
Anyone who has a condom is a whore? Very interesting Patrick. *:think:
In your little world, yes. Any female that carries a condom premaritally is WHORE.
Aha, so that's how it goes. Any FEMALE? What about any male? *In your little world Patrick, is any girl who has premarital sex a whore? *:think:
sammiedebull
07-19-2005, 02:24 PM
the same holds true for a male, any male carrlying around condoms with the intentions of using them is also a whore. BUT remmeber guys dont mind bieng called whores but the gurls damn well do mind.
maxpower
07-19-2005, 02:26 PM
at the end of the day, most people who do what you do renee end up regreting it, its not worth the thrill.
So, are you saying you've experienced "the thrill" and have come to the conclusion that it's not worth it? Does that mean if you are not married that you are celebate?
I think Sammie is referring to taking your path to the excessive edge, and there are limits. You are promoting your life style as someway other females should follow.
You reside in LA, so I know how it’s for you, because I live in LA as well, these people may not understand the life style we have here, most live in Michigan, and it’s different. I see where you coming from, you needed it to fit in to adopt this life style. Am not saying it’s wrong, nor right, yet you need not to promote it.
You’re professional, excellent!!... As a professional psychologist you should (value judgment) recognize both sides, and take them in consideration. *All I see from your posts is defending your opinion and fighting the others.
After all you are a wana be shrink, so get with the program * :roll: :love:
pfizzle
07-19-2005, 02:29 PM
all my prior posts I say male and female... so males are also included into the whore category... PREMARITAL SEX IS NOT OK Renee.... of course you wouldnt know that...
UmiSayz
07-19-2005, 02:31 PM
Premarital sex is considered uncivilized behavior :)
sammiedebull
07-19-2005, 03:12 PM
max, funny as hell :)
renee
07-19-2005, 04:15 PM
all my prior posts I say male and female... so males are also included into the whore category... PREMARITAL SEX IS NOT OK Renee.... of course you wouldnt know that...
Of course I wouldn't. BC I think it is ok for mature, consenting adults.
sammiedebull
07-19-2005, 04:23 PM
bla, bla, bla.
pfizzle
07-19-2005, 04:37 PM
^ I agree with my brotha
SensationalNour
07-19-2005, 05:41 PM
I disagree with what sammiethebull said...Women are treated differently then men in the Chaldean culture...Women have less rights...and parents are more strict with their daughters rather then with their sons...I always argue with my parents and I say...MOM BUT WHY DOES HE GET TO STAY OUT LATE...WHY DOES HE GET TO GO OUT ALL DAY AND YOU DON'T SAY SQUAT TO HIM...and she says NOUR HE IS A MAN AND YOU ARE A WOMAN...END OF DISCUSSION...ya`any my brothers help me out a lot...they tell my parents to give me more freedom and I am happy for that but I have limits...sometimes it's hard to have a life when your parents are super strict and you have two brothers that are on your case 24/7....nevertheless...I still love them dearly...and I am thankful...I just wish that Chaldean women would get more freedom...it's not fair how a Chaldean man can sleep around (excuse my language) and do as he pleases and noone says anything to him...if a Chaldean man get's a lot from a girl...his friends congratulate him...and not call him a "HOE"...they call him a pimp or they say YOU ARE THE MAN...I dislike that very much...I feel that both Chaldean men and women shall be treated the same way and get the same amount of respect from society...it's really hilarious how Chaldean men sleep around and do as they please but once they are ready for marriage they tell their mother FIND ME A GOOD GIRL...I WANT TO GET MARRIED...that's funny because they already lost their virginity yet they want a GOOD GIRL...that's totally unfair...Chaldean men go out with Chaldean women and do stuff with them but then when it comes time for marriage they want a GOOD CHALDEAN GIRL!!...I know that in my family...the women have to keep their virginity untill the are married...and we don't believe in pre-marital sex(excuse my language)...I remember when one day my grandma had my aunt go to the doctors a day before her wedding night to check if she was really a virgin or not...because in my family they check...that's crazy...but I am really glad that we do that in my family... :)
~~Nour~~
proudchaldean
07-19-2005, 06:13 PM
WTF...thats crazy that ur family would check to see if u were a virgin or not...im not so sure u should be viewing that as a GOOD thing
doosha_73
07-19-2005, 06:18 PM
first of all i agree with sammiedebull .
pfizzle
07-19-2005, 06:21 PM
I disagree with what sammiethebull said...Women are treated differently then men in the Chaldean culture...Women have less rights...and parents are more strict with their daughters rather then with their sons...I always argue with my parents and I say...MOM BUT WHY DOES HE GET TO STAY OUT LATE...WHY DOES HE GET TO GO OUT ALL DAY AND YOU DON'T SAY SQUAT TO HIM...and she says NOUR HE IS A MAN AND YOU ARE A WOMAN...END OF DISCUSSION...ya`any my brothers help me out a lot...they tell my parents to give me more freedom and I am happy for that but I have limits...sometimes it's hard to have a life when your parents are super strict and you have two brothers that are on your case 24/7....nevertheless...I still love them dearly...and I am thankful...I just wish that Chaldean women would get more freedom...it's not fair how a Chaldean man can sleep around (excuse my language) and do as he pleases and noone says anything to him...if a Chaldean man get's a lot from a girl...his friends congratulate him...and not call him a "HOE"...they call him a pimp or they say YOU ARE THE MAN...I dislike that very much...I feel that both Chaldean men and women shall be treated the same way and get the same amount of respect from society...it's really hilarious how Chaldean men sleep around and do as they please but once they are ready for marriage they tell their mother FIND ME A GOOD GIRL...I WANT TO GET MARRIED...that's funny because they already lost their virginity yet they want a GOOD GIRL...that's totally unfair...Chaldean men go out with Chaldean women and do stuff with them but then when it comes time for marriage they want a GOOD CHALDEAN GIRL!!...I know that in my family...the women have to keep their virginity untill the are married...and we don't believe in pre-marital sex(excuse my language)...I remember when one day my grandma had my aunt go to the doctors a day before her wedding night to check if she was really a virgin or not...because in my family they check...that's crazy...but I am really glad that we do that in my family... :)
~~Nour~~
Vice versus to the females...
Nour, it seems funny that your family goes and checks 2 see if someone is a virgin or not. Doctors do not abide by this because it goes against patient confidentiality. Also, a doctor cannot tell someone they are a virgin 100%. They can only tell you if your hymen is stretched... which can be stretched by numerous things.
Also, I'm sure there are girls, more than you think, who go to Canada because it is a legal operation to tighten your hymen... which can make any guy think your a virgin "again."
pfizzle
07-19-2005, 07:30 PM
Vaginal Rejuvenation?
renee
07-19-2005, 08:23 PM
...I just wish that Chaldean women would get more freedom...
NO ONE CAN GET MORE FREEDOM. YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT. If you don't have the guts to revolt, that's your problem and you deserve to be subjegated.
.I know that in my family...the women have to keep their virginity untill the are married...and we don't believe in pre-marital sex(excuse my language)...I remember when one day my grandma had my aunt go to the doctors a day before her wedding night to check if she was really a virgin or not...because in my family they check...that's crazy...
That's more than "crazy," it's an abomination. You mean no one is trusted in your family? What would they do if you weren't a virgin, STONE YOU?
but I am really glad that we do that in my family... :)
Why the fock would you be glad you do that? Are you untrustworthy? *Why would you want to put the rights of women so far back in time. Your entire family should be deported! (oh wait, you are already in Canada)
~~Nour~~
GreenEyeZchal705
07-19-2005, 09:00 PM
Nour there is no way for a doctor to tell if a girl is a virgin because first of all there are plenty of women who are born without hymens which means there wouldnt be a hymen there to stretch or tear in the first place. *This is the very reason why so many muslim girls were killed on their wedding nights. What exactly was your grandma going to do if your aunt wasnt a virgin? *By the way like ive said time and time again any girl who wants remain a "virgin" can find other ways to have their cake and eat it too which means your grandmas little test is worthless.
ojeen1981
07-19-2005, 09:43 PM
if you are a virgin, guy or girl..than u deserve another virgin... *if u r gonna lie about it, that ignorance, dishonesty and lying to yourself , which is the worst.
renee
07-19-2005, 10:10 PM
if you are a virgin, guy or girl..than u deserve another virgin... *if u r gonna lie about it, that ignorance, dishonesty and lying to yourself , which is the worst.
How is it lying to yourself? You'll know that your not one. *:think: *:think:
ojeen1981
07-19-2005, 10:21 PM
so if u r not a virgin and tell yuor partener that u r a virgin, thats not lying to yourself???
Teffo
07-19-2005, 10:28 PM
i gotta agree with ojeen...ppl should be upfront and honest..
Nour there is no way for a doctor to tell if a girl is a virgin because first of all there are plenty of women who are born without hymens which means there wouldnt be a hymen there to stretch or tear in the first place. *This is the very reason why so many muslim girls were killed on their wedding nights. What exactly was your grandma going to do if your aunt wasnt a virgin? *By the way like ive said time and time again any girl who wants remain a "virgin" can find other ways to have their cake and eat it too which means your grandmas little test is worthless.
Yes, I agree. But honestly, I think they just tell you that story to scare you. I know in America, a doctor will not perform this procedure for many reasons. One is because the test canot be proven effective and the other is that it violates your rights & privacy. I remember when I was in High School and some girl told me her mom took her 2 the doctor 2 find out if she was a virgin or not. Let's just say the test was never administered and the mother was sent out of the office.
renee
07-20-2005, 12:42 AM
so if u r not a virgin and tell yuor partener that u r a virgin, thats not lying to yourself???
no, u already know u r not a virgin. it's lying to your partner.
renee
07-20-2005, 12:43 AM
i gotta agree with ojeen...ppl should be upfront and honest..
i agree you should be upfront and honest too. but you since lying is a deception, you can't ever deceive yourself so you can't lie to yourself
so if u r not a virgin and tell yuor partener that u r a virgin, thats not lying to yourself???
no, u already know u r not a virgin. it's lying to your partner.
Renee, you're speaking on a technical standpoint but I think he meant that you are lying 2 yourself because you are lying about who you are and what makes you who you are. Therefore when u do this, u lose sight of your true self, your past, your life & what makes you You. Instead, you concentrate on a false perception of who you want to be or wish to have been.
maxpower
07-20-2005, 02:43 AM
so if u r not a virgin and tell yuor partener that u r a virgin, thats not lying to yourself???
no, u already know u r not a virgin. it's lying to your partner.
Renee, you're speaking on a technical standpoint but I think he meant that you are lying 2 yourself because you are lying about who you are and what makes you who you are. Therefore when u do this, u lose sight of your true self, your past, your life & what makes you You. Instead, you concentrate on a false perception of who you want to be or wish to have been.
this is how i see it.. if focked..why not her.. right... i think everyone agrees on my point...
now here is the deal to all you chaldean girls.. want a peace of mind?? then here is the deal... if u gonna have sex.. please do it with a NON-Chaldean man... so you save yourself the shit talking, and all that crap.. i mean out of all the men in this world, you go and sleep with a chaldean.. why even bother? what bugs me the most, is that girls sleep with chaldean men, then when these asssholes start calling them sluts, they get all mad, and sad about it... well newssssssss flaaaaaaaash.. u know what you were getting urself intoo, so ****in deal with it
there is nothing iritate me the most, then chaldean guys talking smack about the girls they slept with...... if u know anybody like that. please let me know.. i wana smack a few.
Kikhwa
07-20-2005, 02:46 AM
Nour, honey, what your grandmother is doing to your aunt and will eventually do to you is not ok. *Your value as a woman, as a person, shouldn't be determined by how intact your hymen is.
That's savage.
renee
07-20-2005, 10:15 AM
Nour, honey, what your grandmother is doing to your aunt and will eventually do to you is not ok. *Your value as a woman, as a person, shouldn't be determined by how intact your hymen is.
That's savage.
[shadow=gold:c3c4397baf]AMEN *:angel: [/shadow:c3c4397baf]
renee
07-20-2005, 10:16 AM
so if u r not a virgin and tell yuor partener that u r a virgin, thats not lying to yourself???
no, u already know u r not a virgin. it's lying to your partner.
Renee, you're speaking on a technical standpoint but I think he meant that you are lying 2 yourself because you are lying about who you are and what makes you who you are. Therefore when u do this, u lose sight of your true self, your past, your life & what makes you You. Instead, you concentrate on a false perception of who you want to be or wish to have been.
LOL, you are right Rita. It's the way I think. Legal training teaches you to parse words for their exact meanings. Thanks for the grounding.
sammiedebull
07-20-2005, 10:22 AM
Women just wait and stay clean and you will not have to worry about any of this!!!
UmiSayz
07-20-2005, 10:31 AM
now here is the deal to all you chaldean girls.. want a peace of mind?? then here is the deal... if u gonna have sex.. please do it with a NON-Chaldean man... so you save yourself the shit talking, and all that crap.. i mean out of all the men in this world, you go and sleep with a chaldean.. why even bother? what bugs me the most, is that girls sleep with chaldean men, then when these asssholes start calling them sluts, they get all mad, and sad about it... well newssssssss flaaaaaaaash.. u know what you were getting urself intoo, so ****in deal with it
Most arab men are like that. I agree with you!
Emily
07-20-2005, 10:39 AM
Women just wait and stay clean and you will not have to worry about any of this!!!
and you do the same
ojeen1981
07-20-2005, 11:08 AM
Women just wait and stay clean and you will not have to worry about any of this!!!
and you do the same
agreed!
sammiedebull
07-20-2005, 11:26 AM
I will do my best Emily.
Spring Break
07-20-2005, 04:06 PM
NO NO NO..lol.. i dont think that guys n girls in chaldean families are treated the same.. I am the 3rd girl in my family and we are 5 kids.. I see a big difference in how our parents treat us.. My brothers have more freedom than me.. AND THEY ARE YOUNGER THAN ME.. sometimes I argue w/ my parents because since we are born in America we dont see the difference between boys and girls like them.. I understand that my parents love me and care for me and are scared if god forbid somethings bad happens to me.. but when you have trust in your kids and you know where they are going and with who.. then who gives a poopie if its a guy or girl going out! My brother is 13 and he goes out more than me.. and I'm 17.. its soo sad.. my parents love me to death and i know that.. and i understand that they dont want me to get involved w/ the wrong type of ppl..and the whole issue with them being scared imma get raped GOD FORBID..but when ur daughter is going out 2 eat with her cuzins and friends.. i dont think she's gonna get raped ok!..and another thing.. if ur daughter is wearing clothes that her tiz is showing.. and her upper god given stuff is than we need to have second thought about her going out... but when ur daughter is leaving the house w/ ppl u trust her with and she is wearing clothes that cover the parts of her body that guys look @..then yeah she can go out.... and there is no difference between guys and girls.. but i think there has to be some set limits too.. ur daughter has to be home @ a certain time also.. she cant be coming in the house at 4 in the morning ..n you have to also know where she is going.. I know that my parents are scared if i get involved w/ a guy and give myself to him.. but I know myself pretty well.. I have repeated this over n over to my mom.. I wont give my self to any guy until i get married.. I havent had a boyfriend and i think im still to young.. and plus.. no offense guys..but alot of guys my age are sooo immature..and i dont have time to deal w/ them...And other thing.. our parents are sooo scared that if someone see's us outside the house..than LORD HAVE MERCY.. but i dont care.. and my parents care so much about what ppl say.. thats the only thing that comes out of their mouth.. wat if blah blah blah see's you w/ ur friends at 10 wat are they gonna say bout you.. umm NEWS FLASH DAD..I DONT CAREEEEEEEEE.. as long as my parents know where im going.. then i dont give 2 poopies about what my cuzin's or my aunts n uncle's c me..
Yes i agree in some cases a guy maybe able to protect himself more than a girl.. but nothing bad is gonna happen if your not @ a bad place...yes there are some stupid as hell guys out there.. but you have to know w/ who you are and where your going and who's gonna be there.. I also think it's the way a girl represents herself.. if she is a good girl that respects her parents.. than they will give her more freedom.. but if you act like a Slut... ur parents are gonna not trust u and make u sit ur bootie at home..
I'm still young.. i got my whole live ahead of me.. imma enjoy my life right now to the fulliest... and what happens in the future happens.. Respect ur parents and adore them now while they are with you.. we all know that our parents arent gonna be there with us forever.. I enjoy every day w/ my parents because i know.. going out 2 eat and going to the movies and chilling w/ ur friends.. I'll have time for that later.. right now..I wanna enjoy every moment i can w/ my parents.. they mean the world to me.. when i get married then i'll enjoy my life w/ my husband!!
sammiedebull
07-20-2005, 04:29 PM
well said! a good respectful view.
renee
07-20-2005, 05:28 PM
Sweetestgrl0717 brings up some good points. If parents trust their children they will let them taste freedom. She states that her 13 year old brother has more freedom than her. Well that's just wrong and it's purely discriminatory. Even if you buy the argument that boys can protect themselves better, there is no way a 13 year old boy can do so better than a 17 year old girl.
Even the stupid rape argument doesn't hold in her case. A 13 year old boy can (and they are) be abducted all the time and are sexually molested (raped).
So this girl is right. She was born here and she deserves an American life.
BTW, if you ever look at rape cases... the guys didn't rape a girl because she was wearing something sexy, the rape was caused by the rage this person carries.
UmiSayz
07-21-2005, 01:42 AM
BTW, if you ever look at rape cases... the guys didn't rape a girl because she was wearing something sexy, the rape was caused by the rage this person carries.
In otherwords they're just sick in the head.
BTW have any of you guys see The Woodsman? Kevin Bacon is the main character and hes an ex con child rapist. Its a good movie so check it out :alright:
Yes, that's what I'm saying Umi. I have done research on this topic and spoken with prisoners who were charged for this horrible crime.
sammiedebull
07-21-2005, 10:12 AM
yes, but its highly unlikely that you will be raped in a puiblic place or someone where people are at, it is highly possible that yyou could get raped in an area you are not suppose to be, at light, late at night out, after leaving bars and clubs, things like that. They are sick yes but they look for mistakes and oppertunities in women.
They also look for women who are unaware of their surroundings or have their hands full which will prevent you from fighting back. No matter where you are, you can get raped. I always make sure I'm ready when I get out of work because I leave alone & go 2 the parking lot. However, I make sure to park in a bright area and closeby where other cars are surrounding me. It's easier if you are in an alley or secluded area but if you were smart, you would never put yourself in that position alone. You do not become a target when you have one or more persons with you. Also, be prepared. If you put up a fight, rapists will very likely run away. They are avoiding all types of attention. The more you fight back and make yourself heard, they will get scared and back off.
sammiedebull
07-21-2005, 10:31 AM
mase the mother f******, do you think its a good idea for women to carry that rita? or any other defense tools or weapons?
renee
07-21-2005, 10:38 AM
I believe pepper spray should be carried at a bare minimum. self-defense and martial arts should be required curriculum for all girls from pre-school age. Also, all women should take advantage of their Second Ammendment rights and BEAR ARMS
Yes, it's good to carry mase or pepper spray but you have to be careful when you use it. I personally don't carry it because sometimes it really ends up hurting you (if you miss, it angers the assailant & other times people spray themselves). I have thought about just getting one and leaving it on my key chain. I don't recommend carrying a gun because it might be used on you. A stun gun or taser will be great for women to carry and I'd recommend those.
Also, every woman should take a self defense class. It teaches you tricks on how to get out of certain situations and moves. You don't have to be strong or bigger than the person causing you harm to maneuver out of his lock or hold.
sammiedebull
07-21-2005, 11:12 AM
aha, ok, ya, self defense classes are really good, your right, they teach you tricks to get away and help yourself in a struggle.
Yes, guns are dangerous, if you want to have one locked up at home than its fine but keep it locked up because kids and others wonder around and mess with anything they see.
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