Did God create Evil?

[Rita]

God created evil?

At a certain college, there was a professor with a reputation for being tough on Christians. At the first class every semester, he asked if anyone was a Christian and proceeded to degrade and mock their statement of faith. One semester, he asked the question and a young man raised his hand when asked if anyone was a Christian. The professor asked, "Did God make everything, young man?" "Yes, he did, sir," the young man replied. The professor responded, "If God made everything, then God made evil, and if we can only create evil from within ourselves, then God is evil." The student didn't have a response and the professor was happy to have once again proved the Christian faith to be a myth.

Then another man raised his hand and asked, "May I ask you something, sir?" "Yes, you may," responded the professor. The young man stood up and said, "Sir, is there such thing as cold?" "Of course there is, what kind of a question is that? Haven't you ever been cold?" The young man replied, "Actually, sir, cold does not exist. What we consider to be cold, is really only the absence of heat. Absolute zero is when there is absolutely no heat, but cold does not really exist. We have only created that term to describe how we feel when heat is not there."

The young man continued, "Sir, is there such thing as dark?" Once again, the professor responded "Of course there is." And once again, the student replied "Actually, sir, darkness does not exist. Darkness is really only the absence of light. Darkness is only a term man developed to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally, the young man asked, "Sir, is there such thing as evil?" The professor responded, "Of course. We have rapes, and murders and violence everywhere in the world, those things are evil." The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light." The professor had nothing to say.

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[BONO]

good stuff.

:)

But I still think that GOD created Evil just so he can test our faith in him. U don't passs your class unless you test out of it.

[WindyCityImports]

Very, very nice Rita. Just for that wonderful, uplifting post, I have donated 100 points to you.

[renee]

But if God didn't create evil, why, in the Lord's Prayer, the Jesus say "but deliver us from evil?"

[Rita]

Very, very nice Rita. Just for that wonderful, uplifting post, I have donated 100 points to you.

Aww thanks hun. It's always great to expand the message of God. :love: :lol: :love:

BTW Bono, I agree with the part you mentioned about the God testing us. If we go to Him, believe in Him & please Him, then we have passed the test. Although, if we fail to let God enter our hearts and lives... then we will not be welcomed with open arms. We are choosing the path to follow emptiness, sorrow & hate... which that I believe is evil.

Renee.... in my eyes, "deliver us from evil" simply means to save us from not entrusting God & believing in Him. The term evil exists, although God did not create evil. People who do not believe in God created it. The prayer simply means that if we fall out of God's life, then find a way to save us from the bad in this world. Without God, there is no good. :angel:

[GreenEyeZchal705]

Great post Rita! I do believe that evil exists but God did not create it. I think the Bible tells the story of Lucifer who was the angel that went against god and became the devil. I'm sure I haven't quoted it perfectly but isn't that when evil began?

[OLIVIA]

Great post, I have to agree with Greeneyez, God even beleives in evil (snake) but I dont think he created it!

[renee]

Great post Rita! I do believe that evil exists but God did not create it. I think the Bible tells the story of Lucifer who was the angel that went against god and became the devil. I'm sure I haven't quoted it perfectly but isn't that when evil began?

But if God is omnipotent and then he tacitly allowed Lucifer to lead the angels in rebellion. This can easily turn into metaphysics. Notice only the women get involved in topics that require thought. I wonder why? :think:

[GreenEyeZchal705]

Very true Renee,

I was actually talking to someone today about this topic and he said that the angels were given a choice to serve in heaven and Lucifer didnt want to and lead some other angels to rebel against God. Now God is all mighty so in order for this to happen he had to allow it. I believe that God allowed evil to exist in order for us to us to make our own decisions based on good and evil.

[SamIAM™]

Yes

[Spoiledgal]

that was an interesting article :!:

hmmmmm, i think everything can b good or bad in itself. god gave us a will and we have to Will our reason in the direction that satisfies us as humans but in the meantime, we have to face upto the responsibilities behind the choice we make :!:

so i don't think there is such things as bad or good. all that depends on the person and how they want to live their lives :!:

[KillaBunny]

from all the posts here ever!
i have to say this is my favourite one

[Valantina]

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Finally, the young man asked, "Sir, is there such thing as evil?" The professor responded, "Of course. We have rapes, and murders and violence everywhere in the world, those things are evil." The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light." The professor had nothing to say.

Very good one :alright:
:applause: --> to the young man ;)

PS: i would've donated u some points too but iam waiting for some1 to donate for me some pointz.. LoooooL :angel: :oops: ""im joking"" ;) :angel:

[Rita]

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Finally, the young man asked, "Sir, is there such thing as evil?" The professor responded, "Of course. We have rapes, and murders and violence everywhere in the world, those things are evil." The student replied, "Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term man developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn't like truth, or love, which exist as virtues like heat and light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light." The professor had nothing to say.

Very good one :alright:
:applause: --> to the young man ;)

PS: i would've donated u some points too but iam waiting for some1 to donate for me some pointz.. LoooooL :angel: :oops: ""im joking"" ;) :angel:

[shadow=violet:84f33e40bd][glow=deepskyblue:84f33e40bd]Aww, thanx! Would you like me to donate you some points? ;) [/glow:84f33e40bd][/shadow:84f33e40bd]

[OLIVIA]

I love that font, how do u do that????

[Rita]

I love that font, how do u do that????

[glow=deepskyblue:e877653945][shadow=violet:e877653945]Well I clicked on the drop box labeled font size & chose large. Then I chose violet as my shadow color & deep sky blue as my glow color.[/shadow:e877653945][/glow:e877653945]

[OLIVIA]

[highlight=red:43244081a1][/highlight:43244081a1]THANKS RITA!!!!

[renee]

I love that font, how do u do that????

[glow=deepskyblue:423cbf5c66][shadow=violet:423cbf5c66]Well I clicked on the drop box labeled font size & chose large. Then I chose violet as my shadow color & deep sky blue as my glow color.[/shadow:423cbf5c66][/glow:423cbf5c66]

So this is how Rita gets to be numero uno!!! JK :alright:

[Rita]

I love that font, how do u do that????

[glow=deepskyblue:df6312c4ad][shadow=violet:df6312c4ad]Well I clicked on the drop box labeled font size & chose large. Then I chose violet as my shadow color & deep sky blue as my glow color.[/shadow:df6312c4ad][/glow:df6312c4ad]

So this is how Rita gets to be numero uno!!! JK :alright:

God, I'm beginning to feel special. ;) Please, don't bother taking a break, LOL. :lol:

[maxpower]

did he?

[Senalko]

GOD is the Creator of EVIL and all Evil on earth.....Satan is the Deliverer.... its that simple.....

DOES GOD inflict Evil on us purposely to test us or hurt us?

Absoloutely NOT..... GOD is a loving GOD, our pain is his pain, but to understand why Evil happens in our world, you will have to go back to the basics, to the day when Adam and eve Seperated US from GOD, and put a curse on earth called Sin which is beyond anyone's ability to wash away.....For that reason, the Father had to send in his own Son so that he can open the door for us to repent and defeat Sin.....

if Evil was something that is out of God's hand, would there be any logic to say that GOD struggles to Stop it or contain it??

the Evil that we see in our World is due to the nature of our Sins and the fact that We have a demon spirit called Satan who is responsible for people's fall, and people's nature to do Evil....YET going back to the main point, everything Satan does is Controlled by GOD and permitted by GOD....

So the Question is then " Why Does GOD allow so much evil in this world? why couldnt he just destroy all evil and make people live happily for ever??

Becuase GOD wants us to have a Volunteery Relationship with him.... GOD's Free Grace to us means that he has no intention of forcing us to worship him as Slaves, rather he wants us to worship him out of our own heart, soul and mind, after all we are created in his image so we do have some of the characters that he does...

Evil can only be defeated through personal faith in Jesus christ as our Savior... he is the only road for us to defeat Sin, once and forever....

[Emma_Girl]

man my head hurts too much for me to read all this right now.

why can't you people just answer yes or no.

[John_5_24]

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.

[CHALDEANELVIS]

Amen Senalko!

There are way too many "John 3:16 christians" in here. "God is love" they'll say, and I agree wholeheartedly, but did you also know that God is JUST? Just in sending this entire world to Hell? Not a single person living on this earth deserves Heaven, not even one. God would be perfectly loving and justified if He sent every one of us to burn in the pits of hell. We thank Him because he made provision for us by sending His Son to die on our behalf. The wrath of God that was to be poured out on us, was rather poured out on Jesus, therefore Jesus' blood is what makes us righteous, nothing in or of yourselves.

James 1:13 "Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed in his own desire"

[Minn North Stars]

I also believe that God absolutely does not really want to send anyone to hell, he desperately wants all of us to come back to him. That's why he gives us so many chances to get it right.

[CHALDEANELVIS]

I also believe that God absolutely does not really want to send anyone to hell, he desperately wants all of us to come back to him. That's why he gives us so many chances to get it right.

Careful with your terminology, God does not desperatley need or want anything. If God desperatley wanted men to be saved, they would be saved.

I wouldn't say that God doesn't want to send anyone to Hell either based on my first point. If that were the case, why did God create people with foreknowledge of where they'd go? Why create Hell?

God doesn't give us a chance. We don't decide to come to Christ because there is nothing in our sinful beings that want to leave the pleasures of sin and "deny ourselves, pick up our cross and follow Him"

John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day"

John 6:65 "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father"

[Minn North Stars]

I also believe that God absolutely does not really want to send anyone to hell, he desperately wants all of us to come back to him. That's why he gives us so many chances to get it right.

Careful with your terminology, God does not desperatley need or want anything. If God desperatley wanted men to be saved, they would be saved.

I wouldn't say that God doesn't want to send anyone to Hell either based on my first point. If that were the case, why did God create people with foreknowledge of where they'd go? Why create Hell?

God doesn't give us a chance. We don't decide to come to Christ because there is nothing in our sinful beings that want to leave the pleasures of sin and "deny ourselves, pick up our cross and follow Him"

John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day"

John 6:65 "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father"

I was mainly referring to God's loving forgiveness for our sins. Where Jesus told us to forgive someone 77 times. It tells me that God wants us to come back to him. The Spirit of God in us… Yearns for us… Jealously!!

[renee]

Can God be desparate? Since she's God, I doubt it.

[user_1009]

great post

[Samuel]

This was so damn retarded.

"at a certain college"

Oh fawk off. this never even happened.

"there was a professor with a reputation for being tough on Christians"

Way to play on the atheist scientist stereotype, who only looks at half the story and "naively" dismisses his faith in the name of science.

"the professor was happy to have once again proved the Christian faith to be a myth"

how does this even address christianity specifically!?

"absence of heat"

and what the fvck is heat? Heat is just as abstract and undetermined as "cold", you crackhead. At best, our explanation for heat is the movement of atoms. Unfortunately, the existence of atoms has yet to be verified, so shut the hell up. I swear i'd love to have 30 seconds with the author of this bullshit.

"Sir, is there such thing as dark?"

What kind of an analogy is darkness to evil? Evil only has meaning if we have the capacity to nurture it. On the other hand, Darkness/Light is tangible. Evil isn't. Light is the aggregate of photons (which again, can't be seen and hasn't even been proven to exist). Evil is a byproduct of our cognitive/social development (unfortunately some of us are far more developed than others of us). If you were to rid every being of their intelligence (if we go back to our homo-erectus state), evil would cease to exist. Whereas, Light is present whether we grow dumber or not. Evil isn't the fvcking absence of god you dumbshit. You have no basis for this argument. If p then q. P. Therefore q. q Therefore g. That DOESNT MAKE SENSE. Don't compare apples to oranges.


Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat or darkness without light."

!!!!! DIE. Yea. and homos decay the world. and abortion kills the earth's soul. You'd really like me to believe that right? I fvcking hate your nonexistent soul. damn it to nonexistent hell. This mother has the audacity to use the term "simple" after he's butchered scientific principles. No shit it's simple. It's simple because you don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.

I hate forwards.

[Senalko]

God Damn those Mulla's of IRAN, and GOD Damn the Revolution of Khomani and his thugs... i had no idea the Terrible Impact it had on ordinary people, and what it turned them into ;)

[JC#1]

Look at the example of Job in Job chapters 1-2. Satan wanted to destroy Job, and God allowed Satan to do everything but kill Job. God allowed this to happen to prove to Satan that Job was righteous because he loved God, not because God had blessed him so richly. God is sovereign and ultimately in control of everything that happens. Satan cannot do anything unless he has God's "permission." God did not create evil, but He allows evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their "programming." God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether we wanted to serve Him or not.

[Randel]

LMFAO @ sam :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :dude:

[John_5_24]

Look at the example of Job in Job chapters 1-2. Satan wanted to destroy Job, and God allowed Satan to do everything but kill Job. God allowed this to happen to prove to Satan that Job was righteous because he loved God, not because God had blessed him so richly. God is sovereign and ultimately in control of everything that happens. Satan cannot do anything unless he has God's "permission." God did not create evil, but He allows evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their "programming." God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether we wanted to serve Him or not.

JC, I agree with most of your post except for the part about your choice to follow Christ. How would you explain the following?


Joh 1:12-13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (13) who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Rom 9:15-16 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." (16) So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

Eph 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, (4) even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love (5) he predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, (6) to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Joh 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.


God Bless.

[Senalko]

whats going on here guys???? myself and Ojeen made such a long detialed reply to John's comments and both are missing :shock: :shock:

[John_5_24]

I know I never saw them Eddie.

[JC#1]

Look at the example of Job in Job chapters 1-2. Satan wanted to destroy Job, and God allowed Satan to do everything but kill Job. God allowed this to happen to prove to Satan that Job was righteous because he loved God, not because God had blessed him so richly. God is sovereign and ultimately in control of everything that happens. Satan cannot do anything unless he has God's "permission." God did not create evil, but He allows evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their "programming." God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether we wanted to serve Him or not.

JC, I agree with most of your post except for the part about your choice to follow Christ. How would you explain the following?


Joh 1:12-13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, (13) who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Rom 9:15-16 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." (16) So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

Eph 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, (4) even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love (5) he predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, (6) to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Joh 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.


God Bless.

JOHN I AGREE WITH YOU
The Bible also says that we have the free will choice – all we have to do is believe in Jesus Christ and we will be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). God knows who will be saved, God chooses who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. How these three facts work together is impossible for a finite mind to comprehend (Romans 11:33-36). Our responsibility is to take the Gospel to the whole world (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1: 8 ). We should leave the foreknowledge, election, and predestination part up to God and simply be obedient in sharing the Gospel.

GOD BLESS YOU

[ojeen1981]

whats going on here guys???? myself and Ojeen made such a long detialed reply to John's comments and both are missing :shock: :shock:

I noticed that dude!